military selects Sig to replace Baretta M9

[hoz53]

So today the U.S. Army has announced it has selected Sig for the handgun to replace the M9--What do we think of this and anybody have any more info?

 

[Dans40X]

They've been in use for decades.

 

[dickn52]

Carried a Sig for about 15 years. Nice, sturdy and it worked everytime I ever needed it.

 

[TAJ45]

Still a mousey 9mm I'm guessing.

I'm curious why the Sig now. Did they have this model when they popped for the M9?
Understand, from what I've read, I'd rather have a Sig.........just a 45 ACP afficionado.

 

[Lapua40X]

Still a mousey 9mm I'm guessing.

I'm curious why the Sig now. Did they have this model when they popped for the M9?
Understand, from what I've read, I'd rather have a Sig.........just a 45 ACP afficionado.

Hey, Taj, some of the stuff I've read recently comparing the 9mm with the 40S&W and 45ACP for wound channel and take down efficiency the 9mm holds its own very well using some of the newer personal defense ammunition. Even the "cap pistol" .380 (although not in the same category) does a pretty good job.

 

[Catfur]

Hey, Taj, some of the stuff I've read recently comparing the 9mm with the 40S&W and 45ACP for wound channel and take down efficiency the 9mm holds its own very well using some of the newer personal defense ammunition. Even the "cap pistol" .380 (although not in the same category) does a pretty good job.

And, thanks to the Hague Conventions (not the Geneva Conventions), the Army will be using 9mm Ball ammo, not newer personal defense ammunition.

 

[USMCDOC]

Hey, Taj, some of the stuff I've read recently comparing the 9mm with the 40S&W and 45ACP for wound channel and take down efficiency the 9mm holds its own very well using some of the newer personal defense ammunition. Even the "cap pistol" .380 (although not in the same category) does a pretty good job.

How does that relate with "Ball Ammo"?

 

[FatBoy]

Beretta just built a nice, new plant in Gallatin TN. Hopefully they don't mothball it.

That said, I prefer the P26 over the P92. I personally shoot it better.

Wonder if they will sell the old ones off?

 

[rebel]

http://redirect.viglink.com/?format...w.military.com/daily-news/2017 ... istol.html
I understand it's the 320 model. Modular for caliber changes. Not near as beefy as the classic 226.

 

[FatBoy]

Then I revise my last statement.

Leave it up to some damn bean counter to pick something like this. How long before Joe Snuffy is running around with a pistol that has no back strap? Fit's the bill for almost all the more recent weapons systems. If it doesn't have adjustable everything and at least 12 bits and pieces that can fall off of it in the field, they don't want it.

What ever happened to K.I.S.S.?

 

[LarryDScott]

When you are forced to shoot ball ammo,
there is but one choice, the 45.
In the 70s when the 9MM became the goto
cal for LE, in the 39 & 59 S&W. On its inception, the lack
of stopping power, even w/the best HP ammo
was an unknown.
I believe it was Gun World that did an article on the
expansion of the 9 and it proved to be lacking in
human stopping power. On car sheet metal and windshields,
it punched nice neat round holes, and just about the same in
duksell(SP), which was a substance that closely resembled
human tissue.
After reading these results, I sold my 39 & 59 an reverted back to the .357 as my duty weapon. In that era the high capacity
9s became know as the spray and pray round. LDS

 

[TAJ45]

When you are forced to shoot ball ammo,
there is but one choice, the 45.
In the 70s when the 9MM became the goto
cal for LE, in the 39 & 59 S&W. On its inception, the lack
of stopping power, even w/the best HP ammo
was an unknown.
I believe it was Gun World that did an article on the
expansion of the 9 and it proved to be lacking in
human stopping power. On car sheet metal and windshields,
it punched nice neat round holes, and just about the same in
duksell(SP), which was a substance that closely resembled
human tissue.
After reading these results, I sold my 39 & 59 an reverted back to the .357 as my duty weapon. In that era the high capacity
9s became know as the spray and pray round. LDS

Ah, the old duckseal probably better than the gelatin that Col Cooper mentioned getting splattered all over the lab in some of his writing.
Yes, I've heard that the bullet construction technology has come a long way in the 9s. However, as Clint Smith emphasized in his classes, the purpose is to STOP the threat. Gotta love those bricks when they hit. And has been stated, if only fmj is "allowed"........then let's get as much frontal area (RSP - Relative Shocking Power) into play as possible. Yah, born and raised on the 1911.......

 

[David]

No need to worry about someone running around with no back strap on the Sig. The P320 they selected is modular in that the trigger group is the serialized part. When you make a change, you change the whole grip frame not just a backstrap. They also, from what I have seen have not said what caliber it is going to be but one reason for the whole test was to upgrade in calibers so it would not surprise me to see them go with it in 40 S&W.

If you have not tried a Sig P 320, they are worth taking a look at. Personally I love the 320C that I have and they hands down have the best trigger of any of the striker fired handguns on the market and a very short trigger reset.

 

[DRNewcomb]

Will the SIG replace existing Berettas or supplement them until the end of their very long service life?

 

[Pappy42]

For years the SEALS used the Sig P226. Military pilots who ride the rocket (ejection seat) have carried Sigs for years.

In the Marine Corps; I was taught that there was no such thing as too much pu--y, beer, or ammunition and that the precedence was set by one's personal situation at the time!

Fire superiority is the archer, not the arrow.

 

[JimPag]

Sig had

When you are forced to shoot ball ammo,
there is but one choice, the 45.
In the 70s when the 9MM became the goto
cal for LE, in the 39 & 59 S&W. On its inception, the lack
of stopping power, even w/the best HP ammo
was an unknown.
I believe it was Gun World that did an article on the
expansion of the 9 and it proved to be lacking in
human stopping power. On car sheet metal and windshields,
it punched nice neat round holes, and just about the same in
duksell(SP), which was a substance that closely resembled
human tissue.
After reading these results, I sold my 39 & 59 an reverted back to the .357 as my duty weapon. In that era the high capacity
9s became know as the spray and pray round. LDS

In actual documented one shot stop shootings, there is no difference in stopping power between 45 ball ammo and 9mm ball ammo. Evan Marshall did a ton of research on stopping power of different calibers with different types of ammo in over 11,000 actual shootings. Just read his book called street stoppers.

 

[jwink]

I've owned a Sig 9mm for years, great piece, never an issue.

 

[TAJ45]

Sig had

In actual documented one shot stop shootings, there is no difference in stopping power between 45 ball ammo and 9mm ball ammo. Evan Marshall did a ton of research on stopping power of different calibers with different types of ammo in over 11,000 actual shootings. Just read his book called street stoppers.

Hmmm, I need to read that but it sure is counter intuitive.

Maybe my memory had slipped even more but what about the (and this is where I may be wrong) the Thompson? LaGuardia? tests.
I need to try and dredge that up.

 

[TAJ45]

I've owned a Sig 9mm for years, great piece, never an issue.

No question abt the quality......just our "We're from the Gov't, we're here to help, trust us"....and choice of chambering.

 

[hoz53]

So today the U.S. Army has announced it has selected Sig for the handgun to replace the M9--What do we think of this and anybody have any more info?

Yes Sig makes great products with great quality. I know they have the US Plant so let's hope they are made here in the good old US.