Metal chassis vs synthetic stock

[mtang45]

I have always shot rifles with wood, or plastic, fiberglas, synthetic stocks and when target shooting the effect of heartbeat transmission to the reticle through the stock has always been minimal. About 6 months ago I purchased a rifle in an Eliseo Tube chassis and I have noticed the rhythmic pulses of the reticle to be much more exagerated. At first I thought perhaps my blood pressure was up but it has occured everytime I have shot this rifle. So I'm thinking that maybe its the difference in stock material metal vs wood/synthetic. Has anyone else experienced this? I find the added movement in the scope to be very annoying.

 

[jonbearman]

Maybe it is the comfort level with this type of rifle,meaning you cant hold it the way you are accustomed too.

 

[Lapua40X]

I haven't used the Eliseo tube chasis but from what I've seen of the design, with that pistol grip, I have to wonder if it doesn't foster a tendancy for the shooter to draw the rifle tighter into the shoulder and thereby transfer the heart rhythm into and through the mechanics. Just a theory. Try loosening up the shoulder contact.

 

[mtang45]

Both very good theory's. I do admit I haven't achieved a comfort level with this rifle yet, primarily due to the dancing reticle ;D

However the chassis is not that much different in design than an AR-15 and I don't see that kind of movement out of my AR. Of course it has a plastic buttstock.

 

[Milo 2.0]

I may be off base here, but most likely the butt is a thinner profile than a reg stock, and with the adj cheek piece the scope rings are higher than normal, which I never could get, it may be like an AR stock, but with no charging handle. Then add the grip, like someone mentioned, you can really pull it in, but you may run your rest higher than normal. All this together might mean you're crawling up on the gun, and getting a way different cheek weld, lower on your face so to speak.

My suggestion would be to raise your seat, move the whole package right or left, depending on which hand you shoot with, and get the gun in front of you more, and lastly, get lower rings. Those stocks are really made to be shot offhand or prone, and on a bench I can see problems.

I had an XLR stock and had a few issues with it, not the pulse thing, but comfort also.

I suppose now you're going to tell me you do shoot prone, and I just wasted 15 minutes babbling!

 

[KT]

My opinion.

I have a one of Gary's stocks. I don't know that it transfers movement but it is a bit tricky to get set up correctly to your way of shooting, but that is what makes it so versitale. Take a look at German's articles on how to adjust the stock. Once you get the stock set so that it is very comfortable your issues will go away. Or atleast mine did.

KT

 

[mtang45]

Thanks for the suggestions gentlemen..

Milo - your advice was not wasted I have been shooting off of a bench, although I do have the scope setup to be the same height as my other bolt rifles and it does seem difficult to get a cheek weld (head to high).

KT - Thanks, I think you may have nailed the problem and all the others have been saying it as well. I need to get this thing setup for me and I'll look up German's setup articles.

I'm thrilled with the way this rifle shoots, its just the annoyance of moving reticle....


Thanks all!

 

[Milo 2.0]

Thanks for the suggestions gentlemen..

Milo - your advice was not wasted I have been shooting off of a bench, although I do have the scope setup to be the same height as my other bolt rifles and it does seem difficult to get a cheek weld (head to high).

KT - Thanks, I think you may have nailed the problem and all the others have been saying it as well. I need to get this thing setup for me and I'll look up German's setup articles.

I'm thrilled with the way this rifle shoots, its just the annoyance of moving reticle....


Thanks all!

If the adjustments don't work, and you say your to high, higher rings might work for you. I remember I had to go higher myself. But I used to stare at the thing and question, WHY.
I might have to start drinking again, to convince myself to go down the "chassis" road again!

 

[flatlander]

I've got a couple of Gary's tubeguns - R5 & RTS - and agree, it can get confusing while trying to get all the adjustments of the buttstock set to suit your particular physical build. I shot AR15 SRs in XC HP matches for years, and decided to go with a bolt action match rifle after finally legging out & getting my Distinguished badge.

Shooting an AR was so simple - only adjustment was sling length. I was having a heckuva time getting the Eliseo buttstock set to suit me. Then a friend suggested laying it alongside an AR15 SR, and simply adjusting the Eliseo stock to match the AR's dimensions. That's a starting point, and you can go from there, trying different settings. I also have several Robertson H&H and one McGee prone stocks, which all have cast-off, and I've always been very comfortable with these stocks. So I adjusted the RTS stock to mimic the cast-off of the prone stocks, and have been pretty comfortable behind it ever since. I shorten the LOP for offhand, lengthen it for prone, and raise the cheek piece as needed as the rear sight is adjusted higher while moving back from 200 to 300 to 600yds.

 

[Pres100]

Just a question, are you shooting a newer higher power scope with a thinner reticle by chance? Perhaps it is the scope you are not used to? Switching from a low or mid powered scope to some of the newer high magnification scopes make this more evident.

I have an eliseo R5 and definitely noticed it when I put a 32x scope on.

Just a thought