Mauser vs Remington

[slip]

Hi guys, this is my first post so I will try to be short!

Recently I had a talk with Mike R. from www.tacticaloperations.com about having BR rifle made out of Mauser action. He told me then, that Mauser action is as accurate as Remington action. I know that target shooters from USA/Canada is using Remingtons. Is there some big reason for that or just because the Remington is American company? Also I would like if you could comment above statement. Thanks in advance

Slip

 

[Preacher]

Most of the Mausers will need more work done on them than the Remington 700's.
The flat bedding area is a plus with the Mauser, but the 700 has lots more toys available for it.... With the prices on some of the new custom actions being as low as they are, fooling with a Mauser is not money saving, or a Remington as far as that goes.
A mauser built for hunting is one thing, but using one for a bench rifle makes no sense
to me for what ever thats worth .....

 

[slip]

Thanks Preacher, that was exactly what I wanted to know. Seems to me that Mausers are not meant for BR arena.

Slip

 

[LRCampos]

Hello Slip.
Living in a country where the only centerfire rifle and actions available are Mausers I think I can tell you by own experience that a Mauser can be very accurate.

But, there are some considerations...
First the Mauser Action is much more heavier than a Remington 700. So your other components,barrel for example)must be lighter to make weight.

The steel on the Mauser Actions has some strange properties, being kind of soft on some parts. I really cant explain it in technical details but a good gunsmith can tell you more about it. The problem is that it flexes more than a Remington action.

There are only Mauser repeaters actions. So, if you want a single shot, you will have to modify the action,more money).

The lock time on the Mauser is slower,much slower) than on a Remington. If you want to upgrade it, you have to buy new springs, firing pin etc,more money).

There are many more stocks for Remington action,already inleted) than for Mauser. So, if you want a BR stock you will probably need to have it inletted by a gunsmith,more money).

The trigger is another consideration. As I know, there are only one good trigger for Mauser,the Keplinger Match) and lots of good triggers for Remington,Jewell, Basix, Shilen etc).

For the scope base, you will need a custom made, as there are very few bases for Mauser,some picattiny, but none BR bases), so more money.

At the end, you will have to invest much more money to get, may be, the same results as with a Rem 700 action,or similar, like Stiller Predator). If you ever decide to sell it, you will not get the money back. Actual, you will have a good "loose" on your money.

Well, its my 0,2 cents...

 

[Austin]

Personally to me its the avalibility of parts.A mauser is just as good but most all parts are surplus.In my experience a mauser can shoot right with a rem,sav,win,or many customs when done right.

 

[slip]

Thanks LR Campos. That explains almost everything.

Slip

 

[Austin]

Im not going against what LR sayed but the word "benchrest" has a meaning of uniqueness for a few people.A rifle is like a pair of spurs or a saddle,They express a mans personality.It may only shoot as good as the others but not better,but you stand out with knowing you are doing it with an not so ordinary thing.If your up to it,it may cost a few bucks more but its "Unique".

 

[rstreich]

Sometimes I like to swim upstream just to be different as well, but, in general, I think I really prefer winning to being unique. Just me, I guess.

 

[slip]

Thanks for replies guys. Outstanding info.

Slip

 

[TRECustom]

Great question! I believe the Mausers are Zastava made in Yugoslavia. They are straight and reasonably true with beautiful blue jobs.

Because of the double shoulder and the 12 tpi thread, they are a little harder to fit than a Remington, but are accurate and reliable.

That said, for a benchrest rifle, I would still choose a Remington over the Mauser for a lot of reasons, but only if the Remington was blueprinted. I am not impressed by factory production Remingtons.

My opinion, clouded and confused by results, Tom

 

[CPorter]

I have built both a Mauser and Remington action as well and I am not good enough to tell which one out shoots the other. If you read and believe the data that Harold Vaughan presented in "Rifle Accuracy Facts" then the Remington action should be more accurate than the Mauser for a couple of reasons. The non-symmetrical shape of the action supposedly causes barrel vibrations that opens up groups. It would be worth reading the book and then looking at the custom actions from Stolle, Bat, and so on to see how they compare to what Vaughan says makes an accurate action...

 

[slip]

TRECustom : I also heard that Mark X Mausers are very well made. I happen to have one Mark X, but since I know next to nothing about gunsmithing I really cant comment the quality. Also Mark X Mausers are made in Zavodi Crvena Zastava in Serbia,ex-Yugoslavia republic).
CPorter : I will try to find "Accuracy Facts". I guess it's the right place to start if you want to know more about something Vs something else. Thank you all for helping me out. I didn't expect such good welcome on my first thread

Slip

 

[Ksmirk]

Ok I'm a Mauser nut I guess! I have built several rifles using Mauser actions and have had great luck with them! now building a Mauser while you may only spend $100 bucks on a action get ready cause by the time your done you'll have a few dollars put into it, this is the reason most folks say just get a Remington action while there is still a lot of work to do by the time your done most of the time the Rem will end up costing a bit less and the resale will be considerable for a Rem over a Mauser. I'm lucky my smith loves Mausers and has showed me how to do the majority of the work and loans me his stuff so the cost is not that bad and we trade out work for work so all works out and I'm dang happy about it!

I like the Mausers over Remington actions but that's just me! I'm no bench shooter but my rifles shoot well enough for me and after all if your happy with it is that not the reason we build rifles other than just buy them off the shelf or is it that were just not satisfied with off the shelf accuracy. Oh well just another Mauser fan. Later,

Kirk