March High Master, which one?

[Shooter13]

I shoot short range 99.9% of the time but I'm particular about the reticle. I'm looking at the 8-80 or the 10-60 High Masters. Pros and cons please. OR would you go with the 48X52 High Master?

 

[Oklahoma Jim]

I have a 10-60 High Master, but the new 8-80 is something else. I looked through a Majesta at a match the other day. It was spectacular!

 

[wildcat3d]

March Scopes - D48F52 - 48X52BR HM SFP - 1/16 Dot - March Fixed Power​

This is what I'm loving for 100 too 200 SR BR, and can still "barley" make LV class, 10.5 lb

 

[Shooter13]

March Scopes - D48F52 - 48X52BR HM SFP - 1/16 Dot - March Fixed Power​

This is what I'm loving for 100 too 200 SR BR, and can still "barley" make LV class, 10.5 lb

Thanks and I should have said it is for the UBR Custom class 13.5 pounds, weight shouldn't be a problem.

 

[jackieschmidt]

You will be happier with a 15x55 Night Force Competition.

I have three March 48x56 high master‘s on various rifles, just the fine cross hair as I do not care for a dot.. They are great, but the two 15x55 Nightforce‘s I have are really clear and rock solid.

 

[butchlambert]

For competition I have a March 60X with fine crosshairs and a 1/16 dot and a 48X Highmaster with the same crosshair configuration. I had a NF, but to my eyes the glass couldn't compete with the March.

 

[Fuj]

I shoot both the 10-60 High Master with MTR-2 and high rings, and
Night Force's 15-55 Comp with DDR-2. I prefer dots over cross hairs
for holds and bracketing purposes. I do shoot both short and long.
I prefer the NF for the short porch, but the March is my choice when
you need to stretch it out a bit......For the money and its clarity, plus
being pretty lite, NF is a top choice.

 

[Intell]

The only March I have is the 10-60x56 high master, MTR2, I moved a NF comp to a different gun. They are very close, but for long range I think the March edges out the comp in mirage for my example and eyes.
I’ll buy another March one day.

 

[R.Morehouse]

If you have the scratch and weight isn't an issue, get the Majesta. Magnification is your friend....You can always turn it down, and in the case of the Majesta, from 8 to 80. I use a pre-high master 10-60 and have had zero issues.

Regards
Rick

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Like Rick said, you can always turn it down but I'm not a fan of huge magnification in short range because the fov gets really small fast, reducing your view of those further flags. The key is not flag size but getting the last couple or so in the scope. I've come to prefer 40-48x magnifications for 100-200 but 300, you can stand a bit more.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

I shoot short range 99.9% of the time but I'm particular about the reticle. I'm looking at the 8-80 or the 10-60 High Masters. Pros and cons please. OR would you go with the 48X52 High Master?

Lots of different riflescopes being discussed here, let's try to sort through them.
The current production March 48X52 uses Super ED lens and is a High Master, but they are not the exact same lenses as in the other HM March scopes. The other fixed power March with the same glass as the 48X52, is the March 40-60X52 EPZ. They both have a 30mm body, they are light, and they are popular with the BR crowd.

There are 2 March 10-60; the March 10-60X52 with ED glass and a 30mm tube, and the March-X 10-60X56 HM with the Super ED glass High Master lens system, the advanced glass.

There are 2 March 8-80X56; the original March-X 8-80X56 with ED glass and the regular eyepiece at 32oz, and the new March-X 8-80X56 HM WA Majesta with the Super ED glass High Master + lens system (with mirage pixie dust) and the wide-angle eyepiece and 40oz.

For the short range BR game, I would say that the 48X52, the 40-60X52 EPZ and the 10-60X52 would be great. Lot of choices for reticles with the 10-60X52.

The original March-X8-80X56 with ED glass is also a good choice, but it weighs more, closer to 32oz. It has many different reticles to choose from.

The March-X 10-60X56 HM was the first March with the advanced Super ED glass. I have one and have used it for several years in F-class. I replaced it with a Majesta last year, but it served me really well. It's about 32oz and is also a 34mm tube as are all March-X and -FX models.

The Majesta is something else, but it is pricey and heavy at 40oz. I do not shoot BR, and only shoot at 100 yards when I do load development. The Majesta is optimized for the long range, but shooting at 80X on a target at 100 yards, I can actually see the balls on the fly that is going to get crushed by the incoming bullet.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

Like Rick said, you can always turn it down but I'm not a fan of huge magnification in short range because the fov gets really small fast, reducing your view of those further flags. The key is not flag size but getting the last couple or so in the scope. I've come to prefer 40-48x magnifications for 100-200 but 300, you can stand a bit more.

That's a good point about the FOV, and the Majesta has the widest FOV of any second focal plane riflescope extant. Its 25° eyepiece produces a huger increase in FOV at equivalent magnifications compared to other scopes and so you can increase the magnification substantially.

The other March scopes I listed have a 20° AOV. For reference, the NF 15-55X52 has a 19° AOV. Nothing wrong with the NF, it's a great scope and they pack excellent glass in a light package.

 

[Shooter13]

Like Rick said, you can always turn it down but I'm not a fan of huge magnification in short range because the fov gets really small fast, reducing your view of those further flags. The key is not flag size but getting the last couple or so in the scope. I've come to prefer 40-48x magnifications for 100-200 but 300, you can stand a bit more.

With my Nightforce 15-55 I can get 2 flags in and that is about as much as can be expected I think, I do turn mine down to about 45 a lot to try and get more flag into view. Still struggle with keeping both eyes open!!

 

[R.Morehouse]

The Majesta is optimized for the long range, but shooting at 80X on a target at 100 yards, I can actually see the balls on the fly that is going to get crushed by the incoming bullet

.........................That was Good

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

With my Nightforce 15-55 I can get 2 flags in and that is about as much as can be expected I think, I do turn mine down to about 45 a lot to try and get more flag into view. Still struggle with keeping both eyes open!!

I don't know how the flags are positioned in a BR match. The few BR matches that I have seen all seem to have about 243 wind indicators between the firing point and the 100-yard line. These are all colorful and festive pinwheels, flags, streamers, and assortment of anime figures.

For comparison:
The FOV for the NF Comp is as follows: 55X 1.8ft@100yards and 3.6feet@200.
At 45X, 2.2 feet@100, 4.4feet@200

The FOV for the Majesta is as follows: 55X 2.4feet@100 and 4.8feet@200.
At 45X, 2.9feet@100, 5.8feet@200.

As you can see, the FOV of the Majesta at 55X is larger than the one for the Comp at 45X.

For the Majesta to have the equivalent FOV of the Comp at 45X, the Majesta would need to be set at 60X.
For the equivalent FOV of the Comp at 55X, the Majesta would need to be at 72X,

As I said, I am not a BR shooter, so I don't know if having the same FOV as a lesser optic but with a substantially higher magnification (45X jumped to 60X, and 55X, jumped to 72X) is useful in BR.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I don't know how the flags are positioned in a BR match. The few BR matches that I have seen all seem to have about 243 wind indicators between the firing point and the 100-yard line. These are all colorful and festive pinwheels, flags, streamers, and assortment of anime figures.

For comparison:
The FOV for the NF Comp is as follows: 55X 1.8ft@100yards and 3.6feet@200.
At 45X, 2.2 feet@100, 4.4feet@200

The FOV for the Majesta is as follows: 55X 2.4feet@100 and 4.8feet@200.
At 45X, 2.9feet@100, 5.8feet@200.

As you can see, the FOV of the Majesta at 55X is larger than the one for the Comp at 45X.

For the Majesta to have the equivalent FOV of the Comp at 45X, the Majesta would need to be set at 60X.
For the equivalent FOV of the Comp at 55X, the Majesta would need to be at 72X,

As I said, I am not a BR shooter, so I don't know if having the same FOV as a lesser optic but with a substantially higher magnification (45X jumped to 60X, and 55X, jumped to 72X) is useful in BR.

I'd love to see someone bring back the raised reticle cross hair scopes. March did offer it, called it the LR reticle, after working with Lou Murdica. Lou's Reticle. It places the horizontal ch in the upper third of the scope, giving more for at the bottom for flags.

 

[Shooter13]

I'd love to see someone bring back the raised reticle cross hair scopes. March did offer it, called it the LR reticle, after working with Lou Murdica. Lou's Reticle. It places the horizontal ch in the upper third of the scope, giving more for at the bottom for flags.

It is still available

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

I'd love to see someone bring back the raised reticle cross hair scopes. March did offer it, called it the LR reticle, after working with Lou Murdica. Lou's Reticle. It places the horizontal ch in the upper third of the scope, giving more for at the bottom for flags.

They still offer the LR reticle in the two fixed power scopes, the 48X52 and the 40-60X52 EPZ.

They could probably produce an etched LR reticle for the Majesta, if there's enough interest.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

They still offer the LR reticle in the two fixed power scopes, the 48X52 and the 40-60X52 EPZ.

They could probably produce an etched LR reticle for the Majesta, if there's enough interest.

I'm sure interest is limited but some of that is that people have never seen it or tried it out, and some is just the market size, period. It's the best IMHO for Sr br. It just makes sense.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

I'm sure interest is limited but some of that is that people have never seen it or tried it out, and some is just the market size, period. It's the best IMHO for Sr br. It just makes sense.

You might be surprised. I would suggest you go to the Marchscopes.com website, ask them the question at About Us=>Contact us. The worst that can happen is they say no.