I use 49g n165 with lapua necked brass, cci benchrest, lapua molly scenars, ave vL 3250, es of 10, half inch or better at 200y another good load with above components is 46.6 n160, but es arround 15, v accurate at 200, prone with bypod, and rear monopod, quarter inch five shot group at 200, Hope this helps magical merlin, Paul T, Ireland.