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Made in the Shade 1000 Yard Shoot Episode II 5-18-2013

As word of the early morning start times, the shaded firing line and the mid morning finish spreads we have more and more folks coming out to enjoy the fun. The following video shows the setup on the firing line, Mid Tompkins latest attempt to take the "hop" out of the SEB Joy-Pod and the straight back track of the Sinclair bipod. http://s254.photobucket.com/user/rcurtis48/media/Made%20in%20the%20shade%201000%20yard%20shoot/MadeintheShade1000YardShootMay18th2013_zpsdb661527.mp4.html?sort=3&o=0

If your going to be in the area in the coming months drop me an email at highpower@asrpa.com and I will send you the schedule through June. After receiving a number of requests I will be setting up additional days in July and early August.

Rick Curtis
 
Dear Rick, again thanks for posting this thread & the video!


Re: Hop in Mid's setup.
I always consider myself as a novice/newbie, but being the designer/ maker/ machinist of the pre-production units I would like to give my comment about the hop:

#1. I do guess (suspect?) that the spongy - thick folded shooting mat has been the big part of the hop.

#2. Also, if you notice Mid's rifle/stock configuration, the scope is set far forward with the long scope base. Assuming the eye relief 4 inches long +/-, I suspect that Mr. Tompkins did not able to 'shoulder' the rifle - or that's perphaps because of his shooting style/preference to shoot the rifle with his armpit over the heel of the stock. His stock/forearm also seems relatively short, which does not allow him to place/set the bipod more forward, or to be right on the area where the rifle balances well.

Yes I could be wrong here..... I only suspect that the bipod wouldn't hop (& probably would get better result) if:
1. The feet of the bipod is put on a more thin mat, not on very spongy/springy platform.
2. The rifle is shouldered + a higher buttplate placement i.e. to be more straight/parallel with the bore axis.
3. Probably to load the bipod + a bit more firmer grip, especially with a .308 & heavy bullet.
4. Probably using a taller rear bag for his posture / setup, & longer stock for more forward bipod placement.


Just for comparison only, this is how I shot off of the bipod with my ugly .308 a few weeks ago before I shipped the sample/pre-production units... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfStJNwc5t8

That was the very first & 2nd shot. A buddy of mine took the video using his cell phone,
My buddies & I did not notice any hop & twist in the bipod, just a straight back, as you can see in the video.
It's not because of the muzzle break, anyway. Rifle weighs approximately 11.7 lbs, shooting 168gr factory ammos. If you notice, I set the buttplate at the highest setting & shouldered the rifle - squarely.
I was also able to see the bullet impact on the papers through the scope (@ 20x) while firing the rounds.
Please ignore the rear "bag" etc, I forgot to bring mine. Using a proper rear bag I should not have to struggle with the setup. I even forgot to bring my ear muff & shooting glass.


I do also believe that the tension on Mid's bipod needs to be adjusted / tightened a bit. It's obvious in the video that the top gives more uplift than needed. Tightening the tension a bit would self-balance the weight of the rifle.


Just my 2 cents,
seb.
 
SEB,

I will pass this on to Mid Sunday as we will be shooting 1K again.
I do think the break comes in to play a little more than you suspect,
but I also wondered at the spring in the mat. The rifle butt is squarely in his
shoulder and the Joy-Pod is forward of the balance point.

Thanks,

Rick Curtis
 
Thanks Rick.

You may check this.... https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=510242262375331&set=vb.100001686855564&type=2&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=510405339025690&set=vb.100001686855564&type=2&theater


By Rick Jensen.

We probably get more videos & results in the next few days.

Cheers,
seb.
 
Also from Jim Murphy.... https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=638003959560361&set=vb.100000522894307&type=2&theater

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=638004156227008&set=vb.100000522894307&type=2&theater

I'm sure you know Jim & Rick.

We probably get a video showing how easy the legs/height adjustment & the cant. And how solid is the bipod.

seb.
 
Yes, interesting (the Joy-Pod bounce that is). I've used 'my' sample pre-production model in six matches now, four last weekend in a round of the GB F-Class league series. Five were shot off grass turf - wet on each and every occasion (very wet like the rifle and shooter last Saturday unfortunately), and one from a covered bench-rest firing point shooting prone while lying on the concrete floor between the benches, the rubberised front section of my Aim field Sports shooting mat between the bi-pod feet and the concrete.

Many people have watched the Joy-Pod's performance closely - it's a real crowd-puller! The only time I had any reports of bi-pod bounce was in Match 1 on Saturday morning in the league fixture where I'd fitted the optional foot spikes to see how the device would perform when 'locked-down'. Spectators said the front end of the rifle bounced noticeably on each and every shot - I wasn't aware of its behaviour myself. The subsequent three matches were shot with the unadorned feet and everyone agreed the rifle and bi-pod's behaviour was impeccable. I was aware of it tracking on the grass under recoil which it did very reliably - you get a nice set of short parallel tracks in the grass after 20 shots.

In the earlier covered / hard floor outing using the mat, its front section is very much thinner and with less give or spring than that used by Mr Tompkins in the video. The set-up seemed very stable and the rifle's handling seemed good at my end of the buttstock, but as previously noted, spectators (and video cameras) get a much better picture of what's going on! In this instance, TargetShooter online editor and all-round long-range shooter Vince Bottomley asked me after only a few shots if this was a 308 Win F/TR rifle I was using, or my .223 Rem such was the lack of visible movement. He was really surprised when I confirmed it was the 308 and told me afterwards how impressed he'd been by the rig's handling in these conditions. In any event it didn't do me any harm as I won the F/TR division on the day with 99.10v (199.10x in US terminology and scoring), and only lost out on an overall win to an 'Open' competitor on V-count.

Vince also RO'd the subsequent national league rounds last weekend and saw the Joy-Pod on various firing points, which being terraced and at the distance being shot over are below the targets' elevation at Diggle Ranges, and confirmed that once the foot-spikes were removed, the rifle's behaviour was impeccable. Vince goes further in fact and even before production of the Joy-Pod gets under way is recommending it instead of a heavy front-rest to F-Class shooters who opt for the smaller, lighter cartridges in particular the sixes and smaller 6.5s such as the Swiss Match, 6 and 6.5X47 Lapua, 6XC, 260 Rem 6mm Dasher etc.

Apart from the thickness, resilience of the mat, the other difference between my use and Mid Tompkins' is that I mount the bi-pod, irrespective of make / type much further forward, in fact as close to the tip of the forend as the mounting rail allows. Five of the six matches used a rifle in a Dolphin Gun Co. alloy chassis stock with a fairly long F/TR forend, that including the match off the concrete + mat. Of the other five matches, the Joy-Pod's first outing was also the inaugural match outing for a new rifle in a Joe West F/TR laminated wood stock that uses an exceptionally long and shallow forend - so in this instance, the Joy-Pod would be maybe 9-12 inches further forward than in Mid's set-up. I prefer to run with as long a 'wheelbase' as possible as my gut instinct is that it'll make for a more stable setup, although it reduces the effective aiming travel of the bi-pod head with a pivot point nearer the muzzle. Whether that helped, or whether it was the excellent stock design, I'd never shot an F/TR rifle that felt so stable in the aim and while taking the shot!

I've also moved to a heavier rear bag filled with Chromite foundry sand since getting the prototype Joy-Pods, so my 'rear end' is much more firmer and more stable than when I bag-squeezed. (Wow! That sentence reads really well - NOT!)

Great video Rick - thanks for posting it. I'll direct Vince in the direction of this thread and he may make a comment or two. Vince has forgotten more about rested rifle setup and shooting than I've ever learned.
 
This is great info Seb, Laurie and you can be sure I will pass this on to Mid. I'll post more video after this coming Sundays shoot.

Rick Curtis
 

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