low recois vs competitiveness at 600

[kzin]

For shooting a low recoil round and having a chance to win what would be the best choice?

Mainly 600 in good to poor wind conditions

The answer I'm looking for is 223 or 6br(or alternative) or 224(or alternative). Not one for each class.

F-TR 223 vs 308

Open 6BR? vs big stuff.

224 valyrie in AR MR Tactical with double size X

 

[jsthntn247]

At 600 a 223 is at no disadvantage when set up correctly. A 22lb dasher will have no recoil and again no disadvantage at 600.

 

[XTR]

First you need to decide what you want to shoot, F-TR, F-Open or AR tactical.

Personally I think that anyone who is a reasonably good shooter would get tired of AR tactical pretty quickly. Shooting at a full sized HP target from a supported position is kind of easy, in fact I'd guess too easy for most competitive shooters. Something I'd take a rifle that I just wanted to shoot one Saturday but not something that I'd ever try to compete or build a rifle to compete.

F-Open. I'll let the open guys tell that story but the 6s have done well in a lot of matches over the last yr.

In F-TR the 223 with a 90VLD can beat the 308s on any given weekend. You do give up a little bit on windage, but you also give up almost all of the recoil. Shooting my F-TR 223 is a joy, and there is never any recoil fatigue.

I guess you need to decide what you want to do and what class is the most competitive where you shoot.

 

[retired]

if a factory cartridge then 6br
if a custom then any of a number of 6's do very well at 600

 

[Jdne5b]

A 6 or 6.5 creedmoor would probably be the way to go in AR Tactical if you really want to game it. I've not run the numbers on the Val, but a small frame 6 or 6.5 Grendel would also be a good choice.

 

[kzin]

First you need to decide what you want to shoot, F-TR, F-Open or AR tactical.
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The choice of which I want to shoot depends partly on the answer to this question.
I'm confident in being reasonably happy in any(maybe all) of the 3. Just don't make me put my bad arm in a sling

 

[kzin]

A 6 or 6.5 creedmoor would probably be the way to go in AR Tactical if you really want to game it. I've not run the numbers on the Val, but a small frame 6 or 6.5 Grendel would also be a good choice.

CM is definitely the 'best' choice. Really like to use my current '15' lower with match trigger though.
According to the numbers valk is clearly better than 6.5g
I'd rather not commit to a 6 wildcat but it's not out of the question.
6cm is better ballistically than valk but not by a huge amount.
Relatively speaking the 6cm has quite a bit more recoil but is it still low enough in a 14 pound competition gun to be negligible?

 

[mikegaiz]

If you are starting a new shooting discipline and want to be comparative, do some research and see what is winning. Then go with a copy of that. Why start off with a disadvantage. You cam mess around once you have some experience and know what you are doing.

 

[kzin]

If you are starting a new shooting discipline and want to be comparative, do some research and see what is winning. Then go with a copy of that. Why start off with a disadvantage. You cam mess around once you have some experience and know what you are doing.

Because the recoil of what wins is known to be unacceptable for some people and I'm afraid I'll be one of them.

I'm looking for the best available trade-off.

 

[mikegaiz]

Because the recoil of what wins is known to be unacceptable for some people and I'm afraid I'll be one of them.

I'm looking for the best available trade-off.

The guns winning at 600 IBS matches (6mm) have almost no recoil, and with a Muzzle brake there is very little on any gun under 7mm.

 

[kzin]

The guns winning at 600 IBS matches (6mm) have almost no recoil, and with a Muzzle brake there is very little on any gun under 7mm.

Thanks
6mm(BR or variant) is probably the answer
No brakes allowed in the midrange prone classes I'm interested in

 

[lawman29]

I started out shooting F Open with a jury rigged 6.5 creedmoor and a cheap rest. Got addicted and upgraded to a 280 Ackley (284 would have been better). Then had 6br built for just 600. After shooting it a couple matches, converted it to a 6 Dasher, March scope, with McMillian Kestro stock, Farley rest and got rid of the 280ai. The Dasher is very competitive at 600, at 1k you're not going to win with it (the 284's rule!), but I have a lot more fun shooting and managed to make high master at long range with it.... Get a good rest, SEB neo or mini or Farley.

 

[urbanrifleman]

Shooting my F-TR 223 is a joy, and there is never any recoil fatigue.

223 is really a great caliber. More people would do better to just start with 223.

 

[kzin]

Simpler question.
Do 6mms win Open more often than 223s win TR?

 

[urbanrifleman]

Simpler question.
Do 6mms win Open more often than 223s win TR?

These reports, I see them asked for all the time. Is this for a High Master shooter going to the Nationals, or is it for a guy who shoots in his local club match once a month? I mean, just because Tiger Woods plays his equipment, doesn't mean the club player should be playing the same.

 

[mikegaiz]

These reports, I see them asked for all the time. Is this for a High Master shooter going to the Nationals, or is it for a guy who shoots in his local club match once a month? I mean, just because Tiger Woods plays his equipment, doesn't mean the club player should be playing the same.

That might be so in golf, but not shooting. Go with what is winning, how can you argue with this logic. It is not winning by accident.

Surely using the same kind of ball will not hurt you???

 

[Twitchy]

.223 is always in the top 3 in our club matches and has gained popularity in the few years I've been shooting our MR FT-R.

Edit-There have been plenty of matches the little 223 has only been beaten by F-Opeb guns by the X count.

I started with .223 (80 grainers) and have evolved to shoot the 90s. It's a hoot to shoot all day and not beat yourself up. On paper it shoots inside of my 308 using 175g SMKs.

The only issue I have is that every reloading mistake is greatly exaggerated on paper. The small case capacity plays a part.

 

[dskogman]

Simpler question.
Do 6mms win Open more often than 223s win TR?

Yes. 6BR and relatives are very competitive at 600 yds and almost no recoil in a 22lb open rifle. The wind really needs to get tricky for the 284’s and up to have the advantage.
223’s are competitive at 600 but fewer shoot it.

 

[swd]

A BRX or Dasher at 600 is extremely competitive. Recoil is very mild. The 284's are going to get you at 1K but if your really watching the wind you still do ok at a local level.

 

[urbanrifleman]

That might be so in golf, but not shooting. Go with what is winning, how can you argue with this logic. It is not winning by accident.

Surely using the same kind of ball will not hurt you???

If your swing speed is 68 mph and you play Tigers 110 compression ball made for his 125 MPH swing it most certainly will hurt you.

Forgiveness. That is the quality that is overlooked. A system that is forgiving. The 223 is forgiving in multiple ways. As is the 6BR. I recommend both.