You can't do that and get a meaningful measurement...but the measurement that you get, can't be longer than the actual cartridge will measure to that point, either. Something is wrong. Maybe it's a Turbo or Turbo 40°. I don't know how much forward they are, but the shoulder is farther forward on both and the 40° obviously uses a 40° shoulder instead of the 30 that the Grendel, AR and Turbo share.wildchild said:Ya I measured this go gauge from bottem to shoulder body junction and it's 1.230!!