Looking for 30-30 win load data

[bobcat93]

Hello all.
I would like shoot some 308 HPBT bullets out of my 30-30. 336 ..single shot style ..just for something to do.
I've read of others doing this with good results
I have 168gr 150gr 180gr 220gr. 125gr..I have a lot
I've loaded for 300RUM,308win now I don't have those guns but want to play with the components

Any one else play around with this..
I would like to hear your results/ findings.
And any load data

I could call Sierra Bullets those folks are great help.
If I've thought it up...then that means some of you have been there, done that already...your the ones I want to hear from..
I would assume any load data I grab from a data manual should be fine to interchange a flat point 30-30 bullet with a 308 HPBT low drag bullet.. just start with lightest load and work up everything else the same...load bullet to kiss the lands with no crimp
HPBT bullets create less frictions and should lower pressure when switching trom a flat nose to a target bullet..
is my thinking corret hear?...im pretty sure I'm correct..or can I measure the length of baring surface on side of bullet ..to get an estimate of pressure...thats a deep one hahaha..for advanced minds only...haha
I actually think that should logically work..if im comparing my known load and components as a baseline...
Does that make any sense..

Thank you

 

[OLeveraction]

I've said this before, with 30-30 is the case not the bullet.
Put a pointy bullet up front regular loads maybe some accuracy but not with me.
Try for hotter loads a you get stuck cases.

 

[Homerange]

Best to list what powders you already have and start from there.....you might already have what you need.

 

[bobcat93]

I have it..in a box some place...I learned damn well with the Obama election to stock up...
Now prices crazy..inventory low to keep prices high ..primers went from 30$ per 1000
To 130$...not this guy..
I got it..and can restock what I need when I need when I'm ready...I won't be pushed by price and inventory B.S.
I've learned my lesson
I probably have the top 5 powders avaliable listed in the Sierra reloading manual for the 30-30 win load preference...I even have some trail boss for pew pew loads

 

[bobcat93]

I've said this before, with 30-30 is the case not the bullet.
Put a pointy bullet up front regular loads maybe some accuracy but not with me.
Try for hotter loads a you get stuck cases.

I'm not looking for a (hot load)..im looking for bullet performance, and accuracy just to experiment

 

[bobcat93]

All right...All right already...said like in cartoons..hahaha...I was just digging in boxes..at some point between now and tomorrow morning I will get a list of my component
Likely combinations based off Sierra load manuals.. and we can go from there.
I'm leaning towards the 125 or 150gr Sierra SPBT..
After shooting the 170gr Sierra 30-30 flat point..its way to much for my plan...
That bullet is like throwing a sledgehammer through the forest at a little old deer...hahaha...


It just occurred to me this may not be possible..
I mean I know it's possible..ive read about it in a manual..Lee..Hodgdon I forget
It's possible to get a little more performance with typical rifle bullet but only as a single shot (obviously) due to possible primer ignition.
But as some one mentioned ( hot loads)..the (long) bullet could pose a problem
I will need to get a measurement from end of seated bullet to rifle lands..that could be the high pressure barrier I run into...
I never measured the throat of my 336
I'm just kind of thinking out loud and sharing my thoughts. So you guys have some idea of how I'm thinking in regards to putting together a goofy load...
I've even seated and shot my 300 RUM with bullet backwards...hahaha...
There was no noticeable accuracy change @ 200yrd on my factory Remington 700 mountain LSS first run.
(That was the most accurate factory rem 700 I've ever owned)
I was curious and had to know..
Just like I do know

 

[Minshooter]

The Hornady Flex Tip bullets, designed for lever actions, have worked so much better
for me, that I quit trying to convert my 94 and 336 into single shots.

But, as something to do -experiments can be an enjoyable pastime.

 

[JSH]

You might do a search for silhouette loads or look at some IHMSA data. Buddy campaigned a 30-30 for years and shot match bullets, did very well with it, varget was the powder.

 

[rockhound78]

I would either just barely kiss the lands or keep the bullet a few thou off.

 

[lb-ft]

Sierra #2020 bullet is fantastic with H322. Might try carrying some of that data over to the sleek 125 gr bullet you have in mind.

On the other end of the spectrum are the heavy 220 gr bullets you mention. They won’t perform well in most 3030 barrels due to twist rate too slow.

 

[Todd Earhart]

Watch the over all length trying to get a pointed bullet in the lands. I know you said single shot but to get near the lands you will have to load through the port and it will not eject that live round.
Todd

 

[bobcat93]

Ok..im back...sorry for the slight delay in response...hahaha..
I jump the gun on this endeavor, but it has been another learning experience, so im not empty handed.
First of all any one who wants to play around with pointy single shot loads for a (modern) ,lever action or single shot rifle
Grab your Sierra reloading manual...its in the back of the book...lots of loads..
I didn't need to talk to any one...just look for the information first...its out there..some one..some place has done it already.
I used
Winchester 30-30win brass
Fed 210 primer
Sierra 150 gr. SBT #2125
Powder - Varget 31.5gn
@ 1789fps.
Then I stopped ️ my
Pointless endeavor ..
And looked over at my 6.5 creedmoor collecting dust and felt like a moron...
End of story..
The 30-30 is what it is...why distract from its clunky perfection..its like driving an old Ford farm truck...
Simple, reliable, proven thats what makes the 30-30 so wonderful..
Me trying to stick long range bullets in a close range rifle was just dumb..when I have a 6.5 creed sitting next to it...
The right tool for the right job..
I understand the over pressure comment ...
Hahaha...
How many times will I need to be shown in life...trust the words of your predecessors..
Hahahaha...
Mental project abandoned out of pointlessness
Hahaha

 

[brokeasajoke]

Ok..im back...sorry for the slight delay in response...hahaha..
I jump the gun on this endeavor, but it has been another learning experience, so im not empty handed.
First of all any one who wants to play around with pointy single shot loads for a (modern) ,lever action or single shot rifle
Grab your Sierra reloading manual...its in the back of the book...lots of loads..
I didn't need to talk to any one...just look for the information first...its out there..some one..some place has done it already.
I used
Winchester 30-30win brass
Fed 210 primer
Sierra 150 gr. SBT #2125
Powder - Varget 31.5gn
@ 1789fps.
Then I stopped ️ my
Pointless endeavor ..
And looked over at my 6.5 creedmoor collecting dust and felt like a moron...
End of story..
The 30-30 is what it is...why distract from its clunky perfection..its like driving an old Ford farm truck...
Simple, reliable, proven thats what makes the 30-30 so wonderful..
Me trying to stick long range bullets in a close range rifle was just dumb..when I have a 6.5 creed sitting next to it...
The right tool for the right job..
I understand the over pressure comment ...
Hahaha...
How many times will I need to be shown in life...trust the words of your predecessors..
Hahahaha...
Mental project abandoned out of pointlessness
Hahaha

But sometimes you are just board and want to try something different. I'm loading all brass Magtech 410 shells when I have perfectly good factory shells that honestly probably work better. But......., it's different, fun and a learning experience.

 

[Paul's Black Rifles]

But sometimes you are just board and want to try something different. I'm loading all brass Magtech 410 shells when I have perfectly good factory shells that honestly probably work better. But......., it's different, fun and a learning experience.

Let me know when you have some luck with the 410 components.
I'm going down the same rabbit hole. This might not be the best forum for shotshell discussions, PM me and I'll join you whenever you go.

 

[ebb]

I hear ya. Years ago I saw a bike that was tricked out to a degree that i could not comprehend. I asked the mech at the motorcycle shop about it and he just shook his head. He said "with enough money you can make a road racer out of a coffee table. But why would you?"