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Lathe/threading the muzzle end?

I have a marlin .17 hmr model 917vs that i want to get threaded for a suppressor (1/2"X28n TPI) for shits and giggles...

I got the barreled action stripped, but the barrel is not coming off the receiver.. its one of them pressure fitted pinned barrels.. the sob is on there!! I couldnt even get the pin out...

Question is... cant the threading be done with the action staying on? I assume low speeds on the lathe to thread anyways...
 
For muzzle threading I only pull a barrel if I have to, to get it in the lathe. Will the trigger stud come away from the receiver easily? Can you run it through the head stock and reach the muzzle with the trigger components still attached? If so, chuck it up with the receiver hanging out the back and have at it. Center the bore with pins or indicator rod, and center the OD of the receiver at the other end, or the OD of the barrel, depending on how long your spindle is. Wrap the trigger stuff with 6" shipping "saran wrap" from home depot so nothing goes into orbit if it should fly off when it is spinning.
If it must come off, a press will be in order.
 
I have a marlin .17 hmr model 917vs that i want to get threaded for a suppressor (1/2"X28n TPI) for shits and giggles...

I got the barreled action stripped, but the barrel is not coming off the receiver.. its one of them pressure fitted pinned barrels.. the sob is on there!! I couldnt even get the pin out...

Question is... cant the threading be done with the action staying on? I assume low speeds on the lathe to thread anyways...


To answer your question....... YES.......
However..... a word of caution...... usually barrel outside diameters are not concentric ( I.D. ) with bore......
bill
 
I agree with Bill's concern.

I will say the last few Bartlein barrels I chambered were pretty coaxial, id vs od. They probably would have been fine to thread with the actions installed. But how do you know for sure?

For a precision rifle, I take the barrel off and make sure the brake is coaxial and bore it coaxial after installed. If you're putting a prebored brake or if you aren't trying to shoot consistently under 1 moa, then aligning the chamber end to the od will be fine.

If you think I'm going overboard make sure you know the difference between coaxial and concentric. 2 dimensions vs 3.

--Jerry
 
So do you use a range rod to indicate it in? In a way that is better since it addresses bow in the barrel. --Jerry
 
That gets it coaxial. --Jerry

Co-axial for the last few inches, which is what matters. Most bores are bananas, at least slightly. I thread mostly for suppressors, and I don't really care what the chamber end looks like. I use the same method as Alex, to ensure that the bullet leaves the bore in (coaxial) alignment with the threads.

With a long bed and long headstock (or small headstock bore), I chuck the receiver or chamber-end of the barrel in a 4-jaw, and run the muzzle end in a steady. If needed, a cat's head can be used in the steady (dialing this in is miserable). Or, a cleanup pass can be taken on the OD while the muzzle is held in a center, and the steady can run on that. I just did this on a personal PS90 project because the barrel is hidden when installed, and I think the direct contact gives the best alignment. However, I wouldn't ship back a customer gun with a band of finish removed, unless they expressly wanted that done!!!

With a nice short, large-diameter headstock, I just run the receiver end in a spider on outboard side, and the muzzle end in a 4-jaw or inboard spider (the IB spider takes up less real estate, for shorter barrels).

Note that a wrap of copper wire is used inside the 4-jaw if it's used at either end, to allow pivoting and protect the finish.

In either case, I have the ability to dial in from both end, achieving that coaxial alignment with the machine's spindle axis. I will dial in the chamber end off OD to get it close, but then all adjustments are done with the long-reach indicator.

It really makes life easier if the muzzle-end support is co-planar (in Z) with the inboard indication point reached with the long-stem indicator. That way you can dial in that point to run concentric first, and then achieve co-axial alignment with the other end only (or at least with only a minor tweak to the muzzle end to get it perfect). If you have to work both against each other, it's a slower process.
 

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