Kelbly Stolle Swindlehurst 22LR
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PNW Skipper
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If I were troubleshooting it, I would start with documenting as much as possible on the history & condition of the rifle. That will also help others to help you.
What kind of trigger is it fit with? What is the trigger pull?
What barrel is on it (manufacturer, configuration, length, condition, etc) and results of detailed examination with borescope, particularly of the chamber, leade, and muzzle crown. Is the barrel channel clear & the barrel completely free floated? Have any modifications or other major work been performed on the gun since its original delivery, especially on the barrel or bedding? How has the barrel been cleaned (e.g. products, techniques, frequency, etc). What is the current torque on the action screws?
On the sighting system, has the torque on the scope rings been checked? Has the unsat accuracy been shown to continue if you change out a scope with one known to perform well on a different rifle?
Detailed pics of the rifle areas discussed above could help, as could pictures of the groups that you find unsatisfactory and the conditions in which they were shot. Is it consistent in THAT performance, or do improvements come and go without apparent reason?
The kind of slanted vertical stringing you describe is not necessarily atypical with an untuned barrel, even with good match ammo. Has anyone ever tried a tuner with it? (If so, what type, how was it used to tune, what results).
Without a complete history like this, any of us will just be on an Easter egg hunt. It would also help to know what your experience level is as a shooter and any experience/confidence you have with working on your own rifles, what resources (gunsmith, supplies, etc) you have access to locally, etc. What type(s) of shooting/competion(s) do you participate in, and what would acceptable performance look like to you?
Finally, I would suggest that it is prudent to start with simpler (and less expensive) diagnostics and fixes first, instead of jumping right to something like a barrel replacement. And back to the question about access to resources locally... the best barrel in the world isn't likely to fix anything without a well qualified rimfire gunsmith to install it. It could even make it worse.
With respect, I think you have to do some homework to better equip folks to begin to provide meaningful advice. I hope this helps you get started
What kind of trigger is it fit with? What is the trigger pull?
What barrel is on it (manufacturer, configuration, length, condition, etc) and results of detailed examination with borescope, particularly of the chamber, leade, and muzzle crown. Is the barrel channel clear & the barrel completely free floated? Have any modifications or other major work been performed on the gun since its original delivery, especially on the barrel or bedding? How has the barrel been cleaned (e.g. products, techniques, frequency, etc). What is the current torque on the action screws?
On the sighting system, has the torque on the scope rings been checked? Has the unsat accuracy been shown to continue if you change out a scope with one known to perform well on a different rifle?
Detailed pics of the rifle areas discussed above could help, as could pictures of the groups that you find unsatisfactory and the conditions in which they were shot. Is it consistent in THAT performance, or do improvements come and go without apparent reason?
The kind of slanted vertical stringing you describe is not necessarily atypical with an untuned barrel, even with good match ammo. Has anyone ever tried a tuner with it? (If so, what type, how was it used to tune, what results).
Without a complete history like this, any of us will just be on an Easter egg hunt. It would also help to know what your experience level is as a shooter and any experience/confidence you have with working on your own rifles, what resources (gunsmith, supplies, etc) you have access to locally, etc. What type(s) of shooting/competion(s) do you participate in, and what would acceptable performance look like to you?
Finally, I would suggest that it is prudent to start with simpler (and less expensive) diagnostics and fixes first, instead of jumping right to something like a barrel replacement. And back to the question about access to resources locally... the best barrel in the world isn't likely to fix anything without a well qualified rimfire gunsmith to install it. It could even make it worse.
With respect, I think you have to do some homework to better equip folks to begin to provide meaningful advice. I hope this helps you get started
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
Did you buy it advertised as a rifle with horrible accuracy?
foxguy
Gold $$ Contributor
I had a CZ 453 that would shoot 3-4 into one spot and then a couple of shots would move (from what I can remember) down and slightly to the right about 3/4's of a inch. The gun was dirty so I gave it a good cleaning and tried again. No Change. I took the barreled action out of the stock and discovered that someone had previously taken the barreled action out of the stock and reversed the action screws Front to back were switched. I corrected the action screw locations, torqued it down to 23 in lbs, and it started shooting to 1 Group.
A scope can cause this type of problem too, something else to be checked.
A scope can cause this type of problem too, something else to be checked.
RED40X
Silver $$ Contributor
Fran, I have worked with many Swindlehurst actions and find one of the most common problems is that the firing pin gets magnetized and is then very inconsistent ignition. Also, there should be no oil in the firing pin recess. I have to say I never liked 2 piece firing pins. Probably a new barrel will have very little effect on accuracy in this case.
Very nice rifle! Did you get it shooting better? Scope looks to be located about right to me but there are several ring/base options that might help. Unfortunately, not many with that style base and ring(Kelbly), though.
UPDATE:
Tuner + extension + deresonator + Deon March 48x52 HM 1/16 target dot on Kelbly 30mm rimfire light rings.
I need to put the scope a little bit more back but the scope rail it's too small, Which one do you recommend ???.
THX.
digi2496
CLUB BR CANARIAS
digi2496
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after the tuner and accesories yes, but only a litthe bit. At the moment, when I have to pull the trigger I don't have confidence in the shot: bad reality !!
On WRABF 50m rimfire target, the max score is 250'25. With my old Anschutz 1913 SM my scored always was between 246/249. When I start with the Kelbly it was under 230, now it's about 242/244. but it's not enoght.
In Spain it's not allowed to change the barrel, So i need to find where is the problem before to............
I assume you've gone over everything thoroughly. The way it sounded, it was shooting horribly at first. Those things usually end up being something simple, like something loose, etc or maybe a bad scope. But it sounds like you have it much better, just not competitive yet. Those things can be tougher to diagnose but I'd still start with all the simple things first and progress to ward a bbl. It could be bedding or crown damage. Both things are fairly simple but up the scale from things like a loose scope base, of course. Bad barrels are actually pretty rare but they happen on occasion. I'd say it's near the last thing I'd suspect though, especially since it sounds like you've made a huge difference in other areas of the gun. Tuners can make a big difference in some ammo and near nothing with a lot that is very good without a tuner. Frankly, I'd get rid of most of the stuff you have on the barrel now and just use a tuner alone. Looks like a Harrell's on there. Look it over well and make sure the o-rings are in good shape.after the tuner and accesories yes, but only a litthe bit. At the moment, when I have to pull the trigger I don't have confidence in the shot: bad reality !!
On WRABF 50m rimfire target, the max score is 250'25. With my old Anschutz 1913 SM my scored always was between 246/249. When I start with the Kelbly it was under 230, now it's about 242/244. but it's not enoght.
In Spain it's not allowed to change the barrel, So i need to find where is the problem before to............
Clean it all up and re-lube but you've got a lot of variables hanging on your barrel right now.
What all have you tried?
linekin
Gold $$ Contributor
Look at what Red40x in post #28 wrote & start there! Gene’s built many winning rifles & given solid advice from experience.
I also tend to agree with Mike, get rid of the barrel ornaments, maybe even including the tuner & see whatchya really got.
If it won’t at least try to shoot bare adding all the rest ain’t gonna help.
Keith
I also tend to agree with Mike, get rid of the barrel ornaments, maybe even including the tuner & see whatchya really got.
If it won’t at least try to shoot bare adding all the rest ain’t gonna help.
Keith
digi2496
CLUB BR CANARIAS
good mornings to all, thx so much for your comments !!!
next weekend I will try to unmount the action and show pictures of the stock, action, barrel, stock bedding, bolt action and open bolt parts. I was check the scope rings and bases at the beginnins, are okey.
I just order a borescam to check the rifling inside the barrel, will arrive soon!!!.
It's true, I found old oil from the last owner (old man that had the same problem and I keep the gun in the back of the closet for several years..., down the action, under the barrel too and over the stock bedding, but with a cleaning like Boretech rimfire blend, now it's clean.
I usually clean the barrel of my arms, rimfire & airguns, always when finish the training or competition day: rimfire barrels with Boretech blend and Ballistol for airgun barrels.
So, next week (starting May) I will post all pictures you need to try to find where is the problem: if someone needs a special picture, please post here to do a list of pictures needed!!!.
In dream, I don't know when, I would like to fly to EEUU with my Kelbly for a nice holidays and shot with all of you together in a friendly competition... time by time !!!
Again, thx so much to everybody for your help & support. Your friend in the Canary Islands, Fran.
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next weekend I will try to unmount the action and show pictures of the stock, action, barrel, stock bedding, bolt action and open bolt parts. I was check the scope rings and bases at the beginnins, are okey.
I just order a borescam to check the rifling inside the barrel, will arrive soon!!!.
It's true, I found old oil from the last owner (old man that had the same problem and I keep the gun in the back of the closet for several years..., down the action, under the barrel too and over the stock bedding, but with a cleaning like Boretech rimfire blend, now it's clean.
I usually clean the barrel of my arms, rimfire & airguns, always when finish the training or competition day: rimfire barrels with Boretech blend and Ballistol for airgun barrels.
So, next week (starting May) I will post all pictures you need to try to find where is the problem: if someone needs a special picture, please post here to do a list of pictures needed!!!.
In dream, I don't know when, I would like to fly to EEUU with my Kelbly for a nice holidays and shot with all of you together in a friendly competition... time by time !!!
Again, thx so much to everybody for your help & support. Your friend in the Canary Islands, Fran.
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Check your action bolts make sure that they’re not bottoming out. Check your scope mounts, try a different scope, is your bolt handle rubbing when cocked? Check the crown all these you can do at home if all is good take it to your gun doctor
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