With all due respects, I would recommend that we do not improvise. We should follow the rules which are evolving. I really enjoy shooting on etargets but we are still working some things out. I think the new 2020 rules are an improvement. Best wishes, Clyde the elder.
Inaugural Long Range Match @ Deadzero July 27-28
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What is improvised about that? Calling a legit crossfire or miss vs blaming it on the target? Every non registered shot is not going to be the e targets fault.
It is improvised because the rules do not say that a crossfire or miss is determined by the score keeper watching the trace.
I guess I missed how exactly a miss or crossfire is determined. Who exactly is tasked? Feel free to quote the rule book. I don’t know if this is spelled out, but I am under the impression that once the scorekeeper signs that card, it’s a done deal. Want to challenge a miss? If the pit guys can’t find a hole in traditional scoring, and the e target dies not register, who else is left to ask? Let the shooter determine?
Did you shoot at this match?
Nope. I have shot at several other matches with e targets. My original comment was in context of e target rule interp- not this particular range. I provided an anecdotal experience, and was called out for, in my perception, improvising the rules. So I asked a fair and legit question(IMO) on how it should be determined, as there are many matches using e targets. Just curious how the smart folks do it.
But is it an NRA "Approved Match" meaning the scores will be turned into the NRA? My understanding is that "Registered" and "Approved" are not the same thing, but with both the scores are still turned in. Please correct me if I am wrong on that.
ttfreestyle
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My intent was not to "call out" anyone. Etargets are new, the NRA is behind the curve on the etarget rules, but we still have to follow the rules for NRA Approved and Registered competition. The 2020 rules are an improvement over the 2019 rules but still may need revision. You ask a good question as to how the rules deal with crossfires and missed shots. My answer is to read the rules and follow the rules but advocate changes in the rules where they are deficient. The answer for etargets may be different from pulled targets to give the shooter the benefit of the doubt and I am ok with that, the pluses for etagets far out weigh the minuses of pulled targets.
I should let Matt answer but you are correct, scores for both NRA approved and NRA registered matches count toward classification. Scores for registered completion also count toward NRA national records and are conducted to a higher standard.
What is missing for the DeadZero matches as far as I am able to determine is a NRA match program. When the Match Director applies to the NRA Competition Division for an NRA Approved Match or an NRA Registered match they have to attach a Match Program with the request for approval. The format for the Match Program is defined in the rule book. The match program has a lot of useful information for the competitor.
Matt and the DeadZero folks are bringing a new world class facility on line. I am sure that is why the first matches are not shown as NRA approved. These are shake down events and important details for future NRA Approved and NRA Registered events will take some time to hone.
Thank you for that clear explanation. I shot at the Dead Zero inaugural match and it is a great range. I'm hoping to shoot it at most of their matches to come. It is a long trip for me though so I am trying to prioritize approved matches to get classification credit for my scores. I was not aware how much trouble it is for the match directors to get that "Approval."
Actually it is not that much work for getting the match NRA Approved or Registered. Once the Match Director develops a program they can use it as a template and simply change the date and it will be good for future submittals. The NRA approval process is now "on line" and after the first time learning the on line procedure it is a simple process. Also one submittal to the NRA can be for multiple dates. I have found the NRA to be very timely in response to approval requests, much easier than in the old days.
However once the Match Director decides to run an Approved or Registered match they are obligated to run the match by the rules. Not a big deal but another detail.
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