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In Praise of My "Sweet Bee"

jds holler

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Well, I finally popped 2016's cherry on the ground squirrels yesterday, and as in many years past, did it with probably the sweetest little rifle in my cabinet. This rifle and I began our love affair forty odd years ago when a fella I worked for sold it to me cheap. He sold it to me, because in his words, "My boys will never appreciate it the way you will, and if I charge you for it, they can't say a damned thing."

It didn't take long for me to realize what a favor he'd done for me, and I'll never forget him for it.

On a forum filled with rifle shooters who would thumb their nose at anything bigger than .5 MOA groups, this rifle doesn't really rate. It generally shoots between .75" and 1.5" at a hundred yards. It will never win any benchrest competitions, but it is perfect for it's job on squirrels out to around 200 yards.

For guys who have never used one of the sub - sub center fire 22's, you oughta give this power range cartridge (or one similar to it) a try. It is mild even compared to the .222 Rem.

It's an easy and durable little case to reload, and with my loads using IMR 4227, metered charges can't be improved by weighing. Stubby bullets work best for this action, and the 35 gr, V-Max is perfect. I use quick, no-frills loading techniques for this rifle, and don't worry about the time consuming minutiae that we generally use for best quality bench rest ammo. I've been working with the same couple of thousand brass for many years now, and actually shoot them till they fail. (yeah, flame me if ya want)

Yesterday, out of a hundred shells, I had 15 (+/- 3) misses. The slaughter was horrific within a hundred yards, still devastating out to 150, and a few kills out at 200. My 200 yard success would be better with a higher power scope, but I hate to mess with this package as it now sits. It wears an old Leupold 3x9, and I've upgraded to nicer Burris mounts than what is shown in this pic. Velocity on my reloads is right in the 3000 fps range with 35 gr. bullets, and squirrel splash is pretty profound within a hundred yards.

I've got more appropriate rifles for longer range, but this little rifle is simply so pleasant and sweet shooting, that I can't leave it home. jd


 
Love it!! About 20 years ago I had to pass on a twin to your rifle. Couldn't muster the fun tokens at the time.
 
A Winchester 43 in 218 Bee was my 1st centerfire rifle back when I was 16 years old. I think it was the reason I became so in love with accuracy shooting. I managed to shoot a sparrow hawk through the head at 175 yds while out with a friend one day - I was hooked. Still got one of those in the safe.
 
in the late 40's or early 50's I was shooting a Win hiwall in 2r lovell and my best friend got one of these for his birthday, same scope and all, - we went to a corn field and them flying black things went splat,

on the way home, he (wild youth) took a shot with the factory hollow point through a road sign, it drilled a clean hole.

youth, out in the county, farm area - he still has that rifle

Bob
 
Hey Bob, remember those 55 grainers I bought from ya awhile back? What brand should I call those? I just stuffed fifty of them into BR squirrel shooters, and thought I oughta know what to call them... jd
 
JD, if I remember (in my old age) those were Sierra blitz,. take a look at their web and compare, I had a lot of them I used.

Bob
 
Never owned a "real" Bee. I went straight to her little brother, the 17 HeBee. Then I picked up her chubby big sister, the Mashburn Bee. I love them both. While fireforming the Mashburn, I thought something went wrong as I couldn't see all the holes in the target. I took a walk and found 9 out of 10 were in the same, 0.4" ragged hole. I have about 1,100 rounds (500 to fireform) between the 2 ready for the 2016 squirrel season. I might have to find an actual Bee one day.
 
Many years ago I had a 218 Bee in a Ruger #1.

That was a neat setup and a lot of fun to shoot also. If memory serves me correctly I shot 40gr. Ballistic tips at a little over 3000fps. Very accurate too.

One I wish I still had.

Alan
 
A few years ago I had a #1 in 218 and loved that gun. But like the idiot my wife often reminds me I am I traded it for a Sako Quad. But I have always missed that rifle and wish I didn't make that trade.

I still have all the brass and dies in hopes of getting another one someday.

Great rifle and great classic cartridge. Thanks for sharing. Brought back some great memories with my 218.

Nick
 
A few years ago I had a #1 in 218 and loved that gun. But like the idiot my wife often reminds me I am I traded it for a Sako Quad. But I have always missed that rifle and wish I didn't make that trade.

I still have all the brass and dies in hopes of getting another one someday.

Great rifle and great classic cartridge. Thanks for sharing. Brought back some great memories with my 218.

Nick

These days, when you consider the 20's and 17's, I guess there are pretty nice alternatives in the power range of the Bee -- even better in some ways. It is amazing though that the Hornet became the popular one, and in my opinion is an inferior case for reloading, durability, and power.

After I learned to let my Bee cases fill the chamber, and stay that way, I found my cases lasting for more loads than you could imagine.

My rifle has been used as ag control deer killer, and has shot piles of deer in the noggin. (not by me) If I was to tally the varmints I've shot with it over the last forty years it would be astounding, and enough meat to feed a fair sized population for awhile. Too bad I couldn't ship it all to North Korea.:rolleyes: jd
 
My winchester 43 in 218 bee is my favourite walk around ground hog rifle with 40 gr blitz kings you have a nice rifle!
 
I have a Winchester 43 in .218 Bee also. When I saw your picture, I thought you had my rifle! Mine has an old Redfield 4x with a open dot reticle. I love it!
 
At the ripe old age of 15, back in 1950, I bought a new Winchester Model 43 in .218 Bee. I installed a Weaver J4 scope in Weaver mounts. That was the first cartridge I reloaded (15 grains of 4198 and a Sierra 50 grain bullet). I used a Lyman Tong tool and Pacific powder scale. This was my first real woodchuck rifle here in north Jersey. Unfortunately, I sold it in the early seventies and have regretted it ever since, even though I now own a .204 Ruger, .221 Fireball, .223 Remington, .2-250 Remington, and .220 Swift.
 
At the ripe old age of 15, back in 1950, I bought a new Winchester Model 43 in .218 Bee. I installed a Weaver J4 scope in Weaver mounts.

When I got my Bee, back in the mid seventies, we were both about twenty years old. It had old school glass like yours - a Weaver J-2.5 mounted with Leupold type, what we used to call Redfield base and rings. It had been professionally drilled and tapped, and since I was going to machining/gunsmith college, I was able to make my own Weaver type steel bases that used the same holes as the other base. I've changed scopes and rings a few times over the years, finally settling on this Leupold 3x9, and a nice set of steel Burris rings.

I've done the stock, keeping it tasteful with simply BLO, and cleaning up the bedding and free-float. It's looking and shooting better than ever, and I wonder if you could ever wear one out with the loads the Bee shoots. If you consider that I've had it for forty years and I shoot it from probably 500 to a thousand rounds a year, --- YIKES!! I'd never much thought about how many.

You don't see many of the Model 43's around any more, probably because folks just love them and keep them. There was never anything special about them, kind of a budget rifle of the time, but it was a time when even budget rifles were quality. jd
 

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