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Identifying culver type powder measure

tac284

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I was sorting through some items in “The back 9” and found these. A friend of mine who owned a sporting goods store many years ago had gave me these when he closed his doors. I guess I forgot about them... I would like to put them to use, one is ready but the other I will refurbish. I’m curious if anyone knows who made them?

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Nice! fairly accurate? Just want to set each one up for pistol loads and leave them. They are obviously capable of much more.
 
The Culver conversions were based on the Lyman 55 which is what the first two pictures show (stock Lymans). I would disagree with the caption of the third picture since I believe it to be a Culver conversion. The Lymans are a bit of a pain to set, but once they are, they do a good job. Newer measures that copied the Culver have finer divisions. The amount of change for each detent is less.
 
The Culver conversions were based on the Lyman 55 which is what the first two pictures show (stock Lymans). I would disagree with the caption of the third picture since I believe it to be a Culver conversion. The Lymans are a bit of a pain to set, but once they are, they do a good job. Newer measures that copied the Culver have finer divisions. The amount of change for each detent is less.

So the ones I have are stock and Dusty’s would have been an upgrade or maybe a premium model?
 
So the ones I have are stock and Dusty’s would have been an upgrade or maybe a premium model?
Homer Culver converted Lyman measures with an insert of his own manufacture. They were very popular with benchrest shooters because they had definite ball and spring detents so that settings could be easily and accurately reproduced. Often records were simply listed as per those settings. The numbers were referred to as "clicks" while the marks were referred to as halves. For instance a shooter might be loading 51 1/2 clicks of a particular powder, meaning that the index mark would be on the mark half way between the numbers 51 and 52. There were positive detents like you would have on scope turrets for each of the numbers and half points. As far as I am aware there was no business relationship between Culver and Lyman. The Lyman measures were plentiful and suitable for his purpose.
 
The Culver conversions were based on the Lyman 55 which is what the first two pictures show (stock Lymans). I would disagree with the caption of the third picture since I believe it to be a Culver conversion. The Lymans are a bit of a pain to set, but once they are, they do a good job. Newer measures that copied the Culver have finer divisions. The amount of change for each detent is less.
My caption was answering his question, a lyman 55 without the culver conversion, which i then showed in the picture. I did kinda do that wrong
 
As Boyd surmised, there was never any business connection between Homer and Lyman. If you wanted the conversion, you dealt directly with Homer, giving him a Lyman 55 and getting it back with a powder insert he crafted specifically for the measure you gave him, plus the original insert (I think you could also have him purchase a 55 for you and add his conversion, but we all just gave him a new one we bought), and a table of settings to get you in the ballpark (it was often spot on) for several different powders commonly used in bench rest calibers of the day. Homer specifically stated that a measure with his insert wouldn't throw charges any more precisely than a standard Lyman 55; the beauty of one with his insert was that that it could be quickly, accurately and especially repeatably adjusted to throw different charges with his measure. Once you got the exact setting (at or near the table values he gave you, or developed by you for a powder not covered by the tables) for the lot of powder you were using, returning to that setting for the desired powder weight was simply a matter of setting the micrometer adjustment, without several tweaks and returns to the powder scale. I still have mine and treasure it. Given the number of calibers I was reloading for, with several different powders, his method of rapid, repeatable micrometer adjustment was a real pleasure - until you changed powder lots (and sometimes afterword), just set the micrometer for the desired charge, throw a charge into the scale pan to double check, and you were good to go. My only regret is that I didn't have him build me a second one with a pistol powder insert when he started making them.
 
As Boyd surmised, there was never any business connection between Homer and Lyman. If you wanted the conversion, you dealt directly with Homer, giving him a Lyman 55 and getting it back with a powder insert he crafted specifically for the measure you gave him, plus the original insert (I think you could also have him purchase a 55 for you and add his conversion, but we all just gave him a new one we bought), and a table of settings to get you in the ballpark (it was often spot on) for several different powders commonly used in bench rest calibers of the day. Homer specifically stated that a measure with his insert wouldn't throw charges any more precisely than a standard Lyman 55; the beauty of one with his insert was that that it could be quickly, accurately and especially repeatably adjusted to throw different charges with his measure. Once you got the exact setting (at or near the table values he gave you, or developed by you for a powder not covered by the tables) for the lot of powder you were using, returning to that setting for the desired powder weight was simply a matter of setting the micrometer adjustment, without several tweaks and returns to the powder scale. I still have mine and treasure it. Given the number of calibers I was reloading for, with several different powders, his method of rapid, repeatable micrometer adjustment was a real pleasure - until you changed powder lots (and sometimes afterword), just set the micrometer for the desired charge, throw a charge into the scale pan to double check, and you were good to go. My only regret is that I didn't have him build me a second one with a pistol powder insert when he started making them.

Thank you! Tomorrow I’m gonna do some testing with the one that is in functional condition. The second one i soaked today and finally got it torn apart. I ordered some new polycarbonate so I can replace the old ones.
 
Save that old one. It is functionally better than a new one. The graphite on the inside bleeds off static charge better. I have tested this with other measures. For my Harrells measure, given the option, I would purchase an old stained powder bottle over a new one every time. I have several of the SAECO micro measures and I first ran into this when I bought one that appeared to be unused and was surprised that it was not as consistent as one that I had purchased with some staining on the inside of the reservoir. Some switching around confirmed that that was the reason for the difference.
 
Save that old one. It is functionally better than a new one. The graphite on the inside bleeds off static charge better. I have tested this with other measures. For my Harrells measure, given the option, I would purchase an old stained powder bottle over a new one every time. I have several of the SAECO micro measures and I first ran into this when I bought one that appeared to be unused and was surprised that it was not as consistent as one that I had purchased with some staining on the inside of the reservoir. Some switching around confirmed that that was the reason for the difference.

You know, deep down I know this.... Sometimes my buying gets ahead of my thinking :p
 

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