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I present the 6.5 Creedless

So I have been wanting to do this for a while now. I finally got everything I need except the reamer and tomorrow I will get that ordered.

It is a wildcat based on the 256 Winchester Magnum which was popular in the 50's and 60's. There were factory loads as well as revolvers chambered in it. It is a 357 Magnumnecked down to shoot a ~6.5mm bullet.

Because I wanted it to feed from an AR magazine it had to be rimless and 223 Remington is close, cheap and plentiful. But because the 223 is slightly smaller than 256 Win Mag I need a custom reamer.

To make the cases I cut a 223 case at 1.280”. I use 300 Blackout does to partially form the neck followed by the 256 Win Mag dies to finish making the brass. After firing the body can be sized using standard 223 dies. I will use the 256 Win Mag dies to bump the shoulder back into spec. In the pictures that is a 140g 6.5mm bullet and it doesn’t go past the neck at 2.19” overall length.

I am using a Model 7 to build the pistol, Thanks Todd Delle. It was sold as just a receiver so it is legal as a pistol. It has been squared up and trued. I am building it into an XP100 clone that is rear grip that feeds from an AR magazine. I will use a 7 twist barrel somewhere between 8" and 12" in length. I also have barrels in 223 Remington as well as 300 Blackout. The barrels will be threaded and I will have the barrel machined so I can use a wrench to easily swap barrels.

I am having a pistol stock made that will have an inlet for PTG AR bottom metal. Rather than use off the shelf wood I am using spalted elm from a tree cut off my property. The tree was here on the family property that I grew up on and has been here since I was a child. Makes a connection to me and where I grew up and now live.

It isn't a long range caliber but should make for a fun shooter with heavy, high BC bullets. I do not plan on shooting subsonic but it will definitely have a silencer. I am doing it for the same reason I got into 300 Blackout, low recoil. Because of a helicopter accident I am a bit recoil sensitive so I swapped from 308 Winchester to 300 Blackout. And because I want to shoot 6.5mm this seemed like a great way to do it.

The reamer has been ordered from JGS, it will take 3-4 months to get it in.

I've been struggling with a name. First it was 6.5 Kurtz, then 6.5 D-S but then I thought 6.5 Creedless would not only be fitting but funny as well.
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I will post updates as process is made.
 
Looks very similar to a project of mine. FWIW, I have not found spalted woods to be a very good option for furniture on guns/knives/etc... The spalting is caused by fungus and seems to create zones of severe weakness and severely varying density of the wood fiber. Leads to cracks, problems with fasteners, uneven compression (leads to high spots) and inconsistent clamping loads. My experience is mostly with spalted maples and I don't know how elm works comparatively. Hopefully it works well for you but you know, FYI.
 
Looks like a interesting project,will be following this with interest .Looks like you are off to a great start. Good luck .

Spalted maple ,i missed that part.
 
You also may want to have some bail money stuck back to get you out when you have to prove your particular model seven can legally be a pistol, since remington never produced a model seven pistol and we dont have gun registration here in the usa to put it on the books as one.
Call it a 6.5 tcu
 
Looks very similar to a project of mine. FWIW, I have not found spalted woods to be a very good option for furniture on guns/knives/etc... The spalting is caused by fungus and seems to create zones of severe weakness and severely varying density of the wood fiber. Leads to cracks, problems with fasteners, uneven compression (leads to high spots) and inconsistent clamping loads. My experience is mostly with spalted maples and I don't know how elm works comparatively. Hopefully it works well for you but you know, FYI.

Spalted wood, VERY VERY dangerous to work with, and I hope any and all of you that work with it take all precautions!

6.5 TCU
 
Sounds like a 6mm TCU - short

The Remington XP-100 and the Model 7 are the same action! Yes, I know this for a fact because I have built literally hundreds of rifles and handguns off of both actions.

The Model 7 can be listed as a pistol IF it is purchased as a bare receiver and is logged into the A and D book as a pistol, if indeed that is how it is built and logged out of the books.
 
Sounds like a 6mm TCU - short

The Remington XP-100 and the Model 7 are the same action! Yes, I know this for a fact because I have built literally hundreds of rifles and handguns off of both actions.

The Model 7 can be listed as a pistol IF it is purchased as a bare receiver and is logged into the A and D book as a pistol, if indeed that is how it is built and logged out of the books.

You can always get a lawyer and prove that. The cops will go to the gun shop where you logged it and go thru their 4473 files. They wont mind, they would sure hate to run you in for nothing. Remember, even though youre right youll still have to prove it and its going to cost you at minimum a lawyer to prove it and get your gun back out of the evidence locker. There was never a model seven pistol from the factory so you have to prove youre right. Its not like putting a pistol grip on an 870 which DID in fact come from the factory with a pistol grip. Ask kelbly why they mark panda actions “cub” for pistol builds
 
Spalted wood, VERY VERY dangerous to work with, and I hope any and all of you that work with it take all precautions!

Agree 110%. The stuff causing spalting may or may not be dead. Even dead fungus can irritate your breathing passage membranes (and the wood dust particles it rides in on) so save your health and wear quality respirator (not just a dust mask) when working it either dried or wet.

As for the strength aspects, yes the rot fungus weakens the wood structure. Much can be gained back once you’ve arrived at a close-fit but still rough shape by vacuum-bagging the stock then introducing a catalyzed penetrating epoxy like MAS that will soak in deeply. Once that’s cured fully you basically have an epoxy-strengthened wood fiber shell filled with whatever part of the blank didn’t absorb the glue.

And be aware too the epoxy likely will come with warnings about avoiding skin contact and breathing fumes of the uncured products. They’re nasty enough themselves but once cured are as safe as other kinds of plastics.
 
You also may want to have some bail money stuck back to get you out when you have to prove your particular model seven can legally be a pistol, since remington never produced a model seven pistol and we dont have gun registration here in the usa to put it on the books as one.
Call it a 6.5 tcu

They were sold by Brownells. They are marked AAC 300 Blackout and they were 100% sold as bare receivers.

https://rifleshooter.com/2014/11/remington-model-7-actions-are-available/
 
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You can always get a lawyer and prove that. The cops will go to the gun shop where you logged it and go thru their 4473 files. They wont mind, they would sure hate to run you in for nothing. Remember, even though youre right youll still have to prove it and its going to cost you at minimum a lawyer to prove it and get your gun back out of the evidence locker. There was never a model seven pistol from the factory so you have to prove youre right. Its not like putting a pistol grip on an 870 which DID in fact come from the factory with a pistol grip. Ask kelbly why they mark panda actions “cub” for pistol builds
A bare receiver, when sold new as bare receiver is not a rifle, pistol or shotgun. It is a (other) firearm, see line 16 of ATF form 4473. It can be legally be used to manufacture a pistol or rifle.
 
A bare receiver, when sold new as bare receiver is not a rifle, pistol or shotgun. It is a (other) firearm, see line 16 of ATF form 4473. It can be legally be used to manufacture a pistol or rifle.

Sure can. But can you get the range police to go dig up the 4473 so you can prove it? No gun registration, only the 4473 forms... if they can be found. I seen a uhaul truck full of 10yrs worth get turned down by the atf and was told to destroy them they didnt want them when my buddy’s gun shop went under.
 
Sure can. But can you get the range police to go dig up the 4473 so you can prove it? No gun registration, only the 4473 forms... if they can be found. I seen a uhaul truck full of 10yrs worth get turned down by the atf and was told to destroy them they didnt want them when my buddy’s gun shop went under.
I understand what you are saying. Tens of thousands of dollars later you could probably win your case, or as a lawyer once told me, "Don't confuse the laws with justice, they aren't the same."
 
How often do the "Range Police"do this? I'd say the odds of being checked or hassled is about the same as being locked up for doing 61 in a 60 mph zone.
Actually youd be surprised. More than a few thought it was illegal to have an xp action in a stock back when i shot them in br and would go to a public range to practice. Its mostly the back bedroom closet builders that ask too many questions. Had one call on me for having a “multi” caliber mark on an ar lower. He said that was for a pistol only and i did get visited before i left the range for having an illegal assault rifle. You can always do as you like all i do is put out the scenario thats going to cause you pain and monetary losses.
 
Actually youd be surprised. More than a few thought it was illegal to have an xp action in a stock back when i shot them in br and would go to a public range to practice. Its mostly the back bedroom closet builders that ask too many questions. Had one call on me for having a “multi” caliber mark on an ar lower. He said that was for a pistol only and i did get visited before i left the range for having an illegal assault rifle. You can always do as you like all i do is put out the scenario thats going to cause you pain and monetary losses.
Yep,forgot about the jealousy factor.
 

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