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I bumped the shoulder back too much

Well at least you know one now, which is really useless info.
Don’t think for a second anything I write is meaning anything except what I do or experience. Strictly my method. Should I have a case that chambers hard or not at all, yes I will bump it, but I need a reason.
In my opinion and experience, sizing bottle neck rifle cases can be one of the most confusing aspects of reloading. For the purpose of this post, I'd like to make a distinction between fulling sizing and bumping the shoulder back. This discussion applies only to bolt rifles.

I personally stop neck sizing years ago after encountering chambering problems in the field, the occurrence of which was unpredictable. As you stated, one can check chambering, but this becomes tedious and, in my opinion, best avoided. The issue then becomes how do you size the case to provide for reliable chambering without having to check each round plus avoiding oversizing.

I adopted the approach of full-length sizing cases all the time. As you're probably aware, full sizing also sizes the radial portion of the case. In my experience, it's the radial expansion that leads to a lot of chambering problems. One can often go many firing cycles without the case lengthening to a point that creates a chambering problem. Therefore, I basically agree in principle with your position about bumping the shoulder only when necessary or stated another way, only the amount needed to prevent over working the case or creating excessive case headspace.

Depending on the rifle, I set the FL size to produce the minimum amount of shoulder set back without extruding, lengthening the case. I have some rifle with custom barrels that work fine with a FL case that has no set back to .001". As cases age without annealing and hardening, some adjustment becomes necessary. This where I found that Skip's Shims to be useful to make easy changes in the amount of sizing.

Bottom Line: I believe FL is very beneficial to reliable chambering, but shoulder bumping needs to be used judicially and not blindly. By monitoring the fire case headspace one can set the FL size to provide an optimum amount of shoulder setback for a specific rifle.
 
From K22:
“Therefore, I basically agree in principle with your position about bumping the shoulder only when necessary or stated another way, only the amount needed to prevent over working the case or creating excessive case headspace.”

I agree. When you are having light or no pin strikes you’ve entered the world of as you wrote:

“I believe FL is very beneficial to reliable chambering, but shoulder bumping needs to be used judicially and not blindly”

I feel this “blindly bumping “ needed to be addressed. That is what I meant as not a routine step in reloading. Yes it MAY be needed or NOT.
When I read that everyone a shooter knows ‘bumps’
well it’s not the first time I’ve had a different view.
I didn’t mention FL but you do and I agree.
You wrote everything better than I did. Better meaning clearer.
This and all I write is not a primer nor recommendation on how to reload, it’s always my experience with reloading my rifles by me.
 
Well at least you know one now, which is really useless info.
Don’t think for a second anything I write is meaning anything except what I do or experience. Strictly my method. Should I have a case that chambers hard or not at all, yes I will bump it, but I need a reason.
I tend to look at things from a Short Range Group And Score Competitor‘s viewpoint.

We get pretty aggressive with sizing because it is paramount to getting cases in and out of the rifle, especially when shooting in the upper load window.

Since case sizing is a part of a competitive tune, the idea is to use the same sizing procedure from minute one.

Of course, what we do in the Short Range Competition Realm often does not translate to other shooting endeavors. Many of us, myself included, often forget this.
 
Unless you use a "false shoulder" be prepared for a separated case. Check the cases carefully for the tell tale ring just above the rim. With the cost of components I would pull the bullets and resize the neck to make a false shoulder and you should be able to savage the brass. I hope you tried to fire them 2-3 times.
 
Unless you use a "false shoulder" be prepared for a separated case. Check the cases carefully for the tell tale ring just above the rim. With the cost of components I would pull the bullets and resize the neck to make a false shoulder and you should be able to savage the brass. I hope you tried to fire them 2-3 times.
I too believe the false shoulder method is far better than relying on jamming the bullet into the lands. That can work but it also varies more and can simply cushion the firing pin strike as the bullet either seats deeper into the case, the lands or both. Different calibers and bullet designs factor into that too, to some degree. I've done it many times and had misfires. Use a false shoulder..no more misfires. Another thing is use softer primers. Federals are usually pretty soft. CCI, especially magnum primers, are on the harder end of the spectrum. This helps quite a bit. Also, clean the bolt thoughly and inspect it for anything that might impede or slow the fp down..and check or just change to a fresh fp spring.
 
since this is only 9 rounds I am thinking about just dropping them in the misfire can at the club to be disposed of.
Thanks guys for your replies
 

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