The more i look at it, the hydro forming die seems like a good investment... How much do these cost? I couldnt find a price on widdens website... it may not be necessary but in my head i think itd save component cost forming Ackley improved rounds insead of fireformingv while trying to work up a load... i dont like the idea of fire forming while doing load work up... seems that adds too much more going on to realy know what the round is doing...