How do I fix this?

[mao0720]

So I have been having a problem with my FT/R rifle, really ever since I had it built for me. The action is a Savage Dual Port Target Action, RBLPRE. The issue that I am having is that it seem like the extractor is very stiff and causes the rims on my cases to get big dings in them. I look like, instead of the extractor slipping over the rim like it should, it pushes some of the brass on the rim of the case into the extractor groove. I have included a picture so that you all can hopefully see what Im talking about. Sometime closing the bolt requires that I really push it forward hard and fast so that the extractor will actually slip of the rim on the case, then i can lock the bolt down. It does not happen on every round, but usually about every 3-5 rounds.
I have already trimmed down the spring for the extractor to see if that would help, but it didn't. My next thought was to polish the face of the extractor and maybe give it a bit more taper so that it would have an easier time slipping over the rims of my cases. Please, if you have any suggestions, let me hear them! Thanks.
Mason




PS, please ignore the messy reloading bench, I am still in recovery phase from a match last weekend

 

[Erik Cortina]

I believe Savage bolts have a sliding plate extractor. Make sure it slides completely out of the way to accept a case. You can check this with bolt removed and a piece of brass to see where it's binding. Make sure there are no obstructions on the extractor and possibly lube it for better results.

Worst case scenario, the action is so far out of square that the bolt does not line up properly with the back of the case and thus creates clearance problems. This is unlikely but not impossible.

Test the bolt with fired case first and go from there.

 

[Terry]

Remove, clean, and reinstall.

 

[mao0720]

Thanks for the suggestions, I have cleaned and lubed the extractor recently to no improvement. I will check a piece of brass on the bolt tonight to see exactly where it is hanging up. I think it is probably at one of the corners of the extractor.

 

[gotcha]

Hi Mason! Your extractor assembly has a small, spring loaded ball bearing that contacts a detent on the underside of the extractor claw. Your problem is often fixed by going to a larger ball bearing (.041" diameter) this will give the extractor enough "lift" to clear the case rim. Shortening your extractor spring will only make the problem worse. ..... +1 on checking the claw for dings or burrs. Disassemble the extractor assy. inside a large Ziploc bag so you don't lose the tiny ball bearing or spring. Not that I've ever lost a ball bearing :

 

[watercam]

As long as it is apart, polish the beveled edge of the extractor. Fixed a similar issue I was having.

 

[M-61]

Hi Mason! Your extractor assembly has a small, spring loaded ball bearing that contacts a detent on the underside of the extractor claw. Your problem is often fixed by going to a larger ball bearing (.041" diameter) this will give the extractor enough "lift" to clear the case rim. Shortening your extractor spring will only make the problem worse. ..... +1 on checking the claw for dings or burrs. Disassemble the extractor assy. inside a large Ziploc bag so you don't lose the tiny ball bearing or spring. Not that I've ever lost a ball bearing :

+1 on the ziploc bag.....even then that ball can vanish. Where did you order the .041 ball?
The extractor can be damaged from a go/no gauge. One reason to remove the extractor, ball, and spring. And the slightest burr or ding on the extractor claw seems to cause problems. I have not developed anyway to make the reassembly of that extractor easier, other than to keep 6 in stock and hope I get one in.

 

[chuckbuster243]

Hi Mason! Your extractor assembly has a small, spring loaded ball bearing that contacts a detent on the underside of the extractor claw. Your problem is often fixed by going to a larger ball bearing (.041" diameter) this will give the extractor enough "lift" to clear the case rim. Shortening your extractor spring will only make the problem worse. ..... +1 on checking the claw for dings or burrs. Disassemble the extractor assy. inside a large Ziploc bag so you don't lose the tiny ball bearing or spring. Not that I've ever lost a ball bearing :

+1

I bought a big bag of the detent balls from Brownells. Make sure the extractor is sliding free back and forth if its not file it. Then polish it up and install with the bigger ball. Matt

 

[timeout]

Here is a go to place for hard to find items. shipping costs are low and service is excellent. http://www.mcmaster.com/#steel-bearing-balls/=sleirc

 

[M-61]

Here is a go to place for hard to find items. shipping costs are low and service is excellent. http://www.mcmaster.com/#steel-bearing-balls/=sleirc

Great link...thanks....smallest I see is 0.0468...

 

[BillPa]

Manson, What's the diameter of the cartridge your using? Its just a guess but you may have the wrong extractor.

Put a case on the boltface under the extractor. If the extractor protrudes out past the lug you have one for the 204-223, they're longer on the tail end and will jam on the side of the lug recess when trying to jump the rim.

The ball isn't the problem unless it jammed tight.

Bill

 

[mao0720]

Bill, good thought, Ill check that one when I get home too.

 

[5spd]

You can take a braing ball out of a 1/4" aluminum lynch pin from the local hardware or farm store. Cut w/hacksaw next to bearing and use tape over that ball so it don't fly off as there is a spring under it.
Its a perfect fir for the savage extractor ball and a tad larger, Ive got them on 4 of my bolts.

 

[gotcha]

Mason, Not that there aren't some good potential answers to your dilemma but, pay attention to BillPa. He's a very knowledgeable Savage guy. Good luck!

 

[mao0720]

Well, I got home today and looked at my bolt head again. It appears as though, when you slip a case past the extractor, the back end of the extractor protrudes past the bolt lug. I filed it down at the back, just enough so that it does not stick out past the bolt lug when it engage the rim of a case. I also polished the beveled edge with a dremel and some JB paste, just in case there was a burr or something. When I re-assembled the bolt I tested several cases and the bolt close very easily on them. Much easier than it ever did before. So it looks as though BillPa was correct. The extractor was too long and was sticking out past the bolt lug when I would try to close the bolt.