Here are some pics of an action my Dad,he passed away) made. I have two of them. They are missing a couple of small parts. I have a bunch of drawings of 3 or 4 different designs including a rimfire action,we have two completed of these as well). I would eventually like to get these completed if possible and/or make some new ones. I am far away from making new ones now but I am young and it is something I am defiantly capable of doing if I apply myself and learn. What do y'all think about getting these to shoot?
Home made action
- Thread starter Jacob
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The only thing I can see that is missing is the bolt stops, or am I missing something ?
They sure do look good, and I can see why you would want to shoot them....
Will the they take a 700 style trigger ?
Are they threaded for a barrel ?
If all the above is true, screw a barrel into one of them and get to shooting...
They sure do look good, and I can see why you would want to shoot them....
Will the they take a 700 style trigger ?
Are they threaded for a barrel ?
If all the above is true, screw a barrel into one of them and get to shooting...
Spotcheck_Billy
Before you screw in a barrel and shoot one - has the proper heat treating been done?
Jacob,
Heat treating is the utmost importance. If you live in WA, OR or ID I can help, as I've built 3 1/2 actions myself. Get the Hardness checked hopefully they will be in the 38-44Rc hardness range.
RD
Heat treating is the utmost importance. If you live in WA, OR or ID I can help, as I've built 3 1/2 actions myself. Get the Hardness checked hopefully they will be in the 38-44Rc hardness range.
RD
Jacob; anyone who could do this kind of work is way beyond my skill, but I do know a little about heat treating. You need to know what the material is in the bolt and the receiver. Maybe your dad spec'd the material on his drawings. Hardnesses alone can't tell you what it is, but they will tell you its condition. Hardness correlates directly to tensile and less directly to yield strength whether it's cr-mo or stainless. Check the locking lug area,the whole nose of the bolt for at least an inch back), and the front of the receiver from shoulder to the ejection port for sure. Rockwell C hardnesses in the mid 40's are a good balance of strength and toughness, and are higher than the annealed condition of good gun steels, indicating that heat treating has been done. It's unlikely that they would be case hardened, but if they are, the diamond braille used for Rockwell C testing will punch through the case and give you the underlying hardness,strength). Case hardening gives surface wear resistance, but by itself, doesn't give the strength and toughness that is needed.
If, as they appear, they are stainless, heat treat gets more complicated, and several stainlesses that can be used for gun making all respond to radically different heat treatments.
Heat treaters provide some paperwork, hopefully you can find what the material is, how it was heat treated, and who did it. If not, hardnesses are a start.
Man, I get long-winded, but maybe this will help. Tom
If, as they appear, they are stainless, heat treat gets more complicated, and several stainlesses that can be used for gun making all respond to radically different heat treatments.
Heat treaters provide some paperwork, hopefully you can find what the material is, how it was heat treated, and who did it. If not, hardnesses are a start.
Man, I get long-winded, but maybe this will help. Tom
Preacher
They will take a 700 style trigger but I have no trigger hanger and no drawings for one. I imagine it would be simple to make a trigger hanger but I don't have the knowledge. Sear engagement, spacing, etc. From the looks of it everything is ready to go except a trigger hanger and bolt stop, but I just don't know. I would like to have some guru look at them.
Spotcheck, RD, and Tom
Y'all bring up a great point about the heat treating. I didn't think of it. I think both are heat treated but I will make sure before I do anything. I looked through the drawings and found this. Drawing of the bolt has "Use S.P.S. 245 or 4140, 42 to 45 Rockwell." I think it is 4140. Not sure if it has been treated. I can bring it up to the engineering lab at school and test it. I've never heard of S.P.S. 245. Drawing for the receiver says "416 Stainless 36 to 38 Rockwell." Even though this one drawing says 416SS I think that my two receivers may be 17-4PH. I know Dad liked 17-4. A have access to one of those "guns" and can shoot the material and get a read out on it. It will give me the composition of the metal. Used to work at a chemical plant in the engineering department and still have some friends over there.
Thanks for all your help. Keep the recommendations coming. Nick
They will take a 700 style trigger but I have no trigger hanger and no drawings for one. I imagine it would be simple to make a trigger hanger but I don't have the knowledge. Sear engagement, spacing, etc. From the looks of it everything is ready to go except a trigger hanger and bolt stop, but I just don't know. I would like to have some guru look at them.
Spotcheck, RD, and Tom
Y'all bring up a great point about the heat treating. I didn't think of it. I think both are heat treated but I will make sure before I do anything. I looked through the drawings and found this. Drawing of the bolt has "Use S.P.S. 245 or 4140, 42 to 45 Rockwell." I think it is 4140. Not sure if it has been treated. I can bring it up to the engineering lab at school and test it. I've never heard of S.P.S. 245. Drawing for the receiver says "416 Stainless 36 to 38 Rockwell." Even though this one drawing says 416SS I think that my two receivers may be 17-4PH. I know Dad liked 17-4. A have access to one of those "guns" and can shoot the material and get a read out on it. It will give me the composition of the metal. Used to work at a chemical plant in the engineering department and still have some friends over there.
Thanks for all your help. Keep the recommendations coming. Nick
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