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Help needed first pd trip

Cbrown3020

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Hello fellas
My lovely wife is taking me to South Dakota in May for my first pd trip. My question is which is the better option range finder or binoculars with range finder??? Also why do you prefer one over the other?
Thank you to all in advance.
Kevin
 
If I had rangefinder binoculars that is what I would use(one less piece of equipment to lug around). I have a Sig 2k lrf, but only use it to get a general idea of an arch of distances( usually 250,300,350) in my shooting zone. I look with binos, not my riflescope for the next target. Only time I need distance under 200 is with rimfires. Anything over 350 is the last to be shot at and I range mounds as you need to have the actual distance reading accurate to within 25 yards (I dial my scopes, trying my best for first shot kills). Since for me prairie dogs are practice for hunting.
 
I have to say
I took rangefinder and binos first time--last year I took a pair of Fury 5000 Vortex rangefinder binos--That was ten times better!
Find dog, push button range dog, shoot dog
The extra steps will drive you crazy the other way and...the rangefinder in the Fury 's worked just great! Way better than I expected
 
Never had any ranging equipment before the early 90's. Had just as much fun, so I often don't bother ranging once I have an idea of general distances in front of me. I do like GOOD glass in my binos, it's very unusual to have someone spot dogs before me. Going in May, pups could be out, can be more close shooting. I always have a rimfire with for pups.
 
Rangefinding Binocs are SO MUCH BETTER than a rangefinder. The binocular vision makes it much easier to spot the dogs, and you don't have to keep switching between rangefinder and binocs.

However.... if this is your first PD trip, see if you can borrow a rangefinder or range finder binocs. You can mount an extendable antenna with a piece of yarn for wind direction, and buy a low cost wind meter for wind speed. If you find you are getting serious about PD hunting, and want or NEED those first shot hits, you will need more equipment, and a ballistics program, and it is easy to spend a lot on incompatible items.

I started out with a piece of yarn for direction and a cheap wind meter, and no thoughts of bullet velocity, ballistic coefficients, or other stuff. I had LOTS O FUN, and really loved it. You will as well.

I just want to keep you from spending a ton of money before your first trip, and then find you have to spend another ton to get what you really want.

Eventually, a set of range finding binoculars, a Kestrel weather meter, and a ballistics program are needed. The problem is now which binoculars will wirelessly connect with the ballistics program, the weather (wind) meter, and the readout of windage and elevation. Different manufacturers binocs interface to different pieces of equipment.

For example, I have the older Leica Geovid ranging only binoculars, and a Kestrel 5700 Elite running Applied Ballistics on a mast with a wind vane (giving wind speed and direction), and an iphone on my table. I input the range and the DOF (direction of fire) on the iphone, and it reads out the windage and elevation clicks. I input these to the scope and fire.

My buddy has the latest Leica Geovid Pro binocs , the Kestrel 5700 Elite on a mast with vane, and a Kestrel HUD (heads up display) mounted on the picatinny rail of his gun. The binocs feed both the range and direction of fire to the 5700, and the HUD gives him the windage and elevation clicks which he puts on the scope and fires.

My older binocs will not interface with anything, just a yardage readout in the view. I have to manually input range and DOFire.

My buddy's new model binocs will interface to the 5700 and the HUD, and automatically inputs everything.

The fewer things you have to do makes for a better experience shooting. It is the switching between rangefinder, binocs, wind meter, looking at the yarn for direction, inputting data to the ballistics computer, adjusting the scope etc, that distract from aiming and hitting.
 
We found elevation is your friend when using a range finder, Flat as a pancake doesn’t allow them to work well.
I opt for a flat shooting round. When head high and I am still low, I swap guns/cartridges and go on.

Spoke to a fellow some years back, his buddy left his Leica range finder in a dog town by accident. They never did find it. The inside joke was the dogs had it to range the shooters to keep out of range, lol.
 
You can shoot just fine with Onx (measure distance) and NOAA app(wind,temp,humidity) on phone and use binos. Especially where pancake flat ground only allows mound reads. Simple is more fun, 200 yard zero(centerfire), wind at your 6,12. Otherwise drift past 250 yards is often more than the width of an adult dog. Flips,red mist, and strips/chunks are the best.
 
How many rifles do you boys bring on a trip?
I have available 17 Mach IV
22K Hornet
20 Killer Bee
222 Rem
22-250
220 Swift
250 savage AI
243
I figure to bring the small hot rods just don’t know about others or how many total??
 
I bring two rifles, a 6BR which is my main rifle, and a 22-250 for back up.

Others in our party shoot either 22-250 (2 shooters) or 204 Ruger (3 shooters)
 

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