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Hello, I am AccelR8 and I drive a minivan

Don't want to derail the pickup thread but it got me thinking. I posted my pick up truck experience in that thread.

Looking at pictures of shooting in Australia I see a lot of vans. I have a minivan and I think it works out quite well for shooting activities. Hauls gear, I've camped in it, open gate makes a nice workspace or place to sit (seats flipped over). Plus I can carry 7 people, grand kids etc.

The company I work for had a fleet of 2008 Grand Caravans and were getting very good service with them. When they updated the fleet I bought one of the '08s with 140k miles. With all the seats folded down it's 4 ft. by 8 ft. cargo space. I considered it like a pick up with a cap, if not a very light duty one. IIRC 1,800 lb. cargo cap., 3,600 lb. towing. While I never exceeded those capacities (weighed it several times) I did add air bags(turned out to be not needed) and a class 3 hitch for the versatility, not the extra capacity. I took it to Washington, Florida, and many points in between. 20 to 23 mpg. 18 in the winter if loaded.

When it hit 200k I got a new 2017 to replace it. At the time I found myself renovating a rental property and the new one was too nice for paint buckets and ladders, lawn mowers and weed wackers. So I kept the old one “just until this house is done.” 6 years later I still owned 2 vans! I just recently sold it to a contractor guy who does windows and doors. It's got 280k on it and he uses it daily. The only failures it's ever had are a rusted out and leaking water pipe and a right front axle shaft that broke in two while backing into a parking space, empty van no load!

I met an attractive lady at a shooting event. She offered to help me carry my gear after the event. As we arrived at my minivan she said “Somehow I had you figured for a big four wheel drive pick up kind of guy.” I said well this is it.” She said “So you're secure in your manhood, huh?” I said Yes...yes I am.

edit; to revise stated cargo capacity. I misstated it in the original post.
 
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Folks who are concerned about what others drive perplex me... and those who see pickup trucks as status symbols perplex me even more, and I've driven nothing but pickup trucks for 27 years.

Vans are great for those whose needs are met by them. Same with SUVs. Drive what you want.

I use the 4wd and ground clearance for off road use about once a month. I want a bed to carry dirty things, deer carcasses, wood from fallen trees, and motorcycles.

Yet, 90% of my miles are hauling just me and the family. My use on a random Tuesday seems like a waste, so you may assume it is bought for image reasons. Stop by on the right weekend, and it makes sense.
 
Being secure in your manhood is great!!! loading a whole unit of plywood in a minivan is a whole another thing. if you don't need the carrying capacity of a truck (and I don't mean a 1/2 ton with more bells and whistles than the suspension will carry) then your mini van is just what the doctor ordered. Take a look at a full floating differential in a 3/4 or 1 ton pickup the look at the half shafts coming out of the front drive in the caravan. They are built to carry a load if you don't then you certainly don't need one of the gas guzzlers. But they are not interchangeable.
 
Don't want to derail the pickup thread but it got me thinking. I posted my pick up truck experience in that thread.

Looking at pictures of shooting in Australia I see a lot of vans. I have a minivan and I think it works out quite well for shooting activities. Hauls gear, I've camped in it, open gate makes a nice workspace or place to sit (seats flipped over). Plus I can carry 7 people, grand kids etc.

The company I work for had a fleet of 2008 Grand Caravans and were getting very good service with them. When they updated the fleet I bought one of the '08s with 140k miles. With all the seats folded down it's 4 ft. by 8 ft. cargo space. I considered it like a pick up with a cap, if not a very light duty one. IIRC 3,800 lb. cargo cap., 3,600 lb. towing. While I never exceeded those capacities (weighed it several times) I did add air bags(turned out to be not needed) and a class 3 hitch for the versatility, not the extra capacity. I took it to Washington, Florida, and many points in between. 20 to 23 mpg. 18 in the winter if loaded.

When it hit 200k I got a new 2017 to replace it. At the time I found myself renovating a rental property and the new one was too nice for paint buckets and ladders, lawn mowers and weed wackers. So I kept the old one “just until this house is done.” 6 years later I still owned 2 vans! I just recently sold it to a contractor guy who does windows and doors. It's got 280k on it and he uses it daily. The only failures it's ever had are a rusted out and leaking water pipe and a right front axle shaft that broke in two while backing into a parking space, empty van no load!

I met an attractive lady at a shooting event. She offered to help me carry my gear after the event. As we arrived at my minivan she said “Somehow I had you figured for a big four wheel drive pick up kind of guy.” I said well this is it.” She said “So you're secure in your manhood, huh?” I said Yes...yes I am.
Good for you! I truly refuse to tie my ego to material things. I care about how things work for me, not who I might impress. When I retired, my wife went out and bought me a sports car. The little 2 seater kind. It was really fast, handled like a dream and looked cool. I drove it a little (because my wife bought it for me. She loved it.) but it spent most of it’s life in the garage. I couldn’t get a gun case in the trunk. I couldn’t carry my fishing rods unless I had the top down. The one time I tried, it rained on the way home! It had 7K miles on it when I traded it in for the Sequoia.
 
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I have a minivan and its not my first. They are awesome. Carry passangers or cargo or both with good gas milage. 4 of us can go to a match with 4 guns and gear. I am not so sure I couldnt Bout get a sheet of plywood in it with the seats stowed. I threw the back seats away as I have on my other vans so only a 4 seater. I have a brand new F150 but I am going to drive my van for 99% of my traveling.
 
I drive a truck but keep thinking "man, I'd love to have an Expedition!" then it hits me, I don't owe a dime on it, I have kept it serviced, runs great gets "almost" 17MPG when I do my part (which is not very often) and it does everything I need it to do so why on earth would I trade? Not quite sure how anyone would think a truck (or any other vehicle) is a status symbol.
 
I drove one for a while. They have their place. I miss the mileage it got and it probably had more usable storage space than my Avalanche. It didn't go in snow well at all. I like my 4wd but it needs a newer one run under it sometime soon. No hurry, as it still runs fine and gets the job done. It's not a real truck though and lacks towing ability. The suspension is too light on them.
 
I’m in between, I have a 1999 Ford E350 one ton van with a 7.3 diesel.
My international pro star with a 475hp Cummins diesel rides better, handles better and is quiter than the Ford.
But man it’s cool pulling up to a light and having the people in the next car have to roll up there window because of the noise.
 
I have a Supercharged 552 horse Jaguar XK-R convertible. And a Dodge diesel 4WD. Where does that place me on the status ladder?

ISS
 
I bought one of the first Dodge mini vans that came out. At the time I had 3 children and we had outgrown the Honda civic that had served us well. The mini van was handy as could be, easy load, easy unload, enough power not to be embarrassed when making a pass. it never gave us a problem, ultra reliable. It was everything it was suppose to be and I couldn’t wait to get rid of it. Traded it for a suburban which served us better, 4 wheel drive, we could take it the lakes camping etc. The mini van is perfect for so many people but just didn't cut it for what we needed. Off road capabilities and some ground clearance is a must for me.

I see full sized vans set up for off road, 4 wheel drive and road worthy. Something like a decked out Mercedes Sprinter. I see those set ups when motorcycling up around southern Utah and Colorado more than here where I am. I keep telling the wife that something like that would fun to spend a summer in fishing the western United States or take it to Canada.
 
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Being secure in your manhood is great!!! loading a whole unit of plywood in a minivan is a whole another thing. if you don't need the carrying capacity of a truck (and I don't mean a 1/2 ton with more bells and whistles than the suspension will carry) then your mini van is just what the doctor ordered. Take a look at a full floating differential in a 3/4 or 1 ton pickup the look at the half shafts coming out of the front drive in the caravan. They are built to carry a load if you don't then you certainly don't need one of the gas guzzlers. But they are not interchangeable.

I now what you're saying. I have had the full floating axle hubs and axle shafts apart on my '01 K2500 HD more times than I care to remember. It has drum brakes in the rear. Those drums weigh about 50 pounds each! The hub flange prevents changing the wheel cylinders unless you pull the axle shafts and take the hubs and bearings all apart. Apart once for rear brakes and wheel cylinders, then again when one of the new cylinders leaked (replaced them both again) then years later all apart one more time for brake lines...no access to the flare nuts which are recessed into the axle housing flange and also less than an inch away from the big leaf spring pack.

I don't know what's better, the drum brakes with those big brake shoes which last forever but are a pain to service, or the newer rear discs which have about ¼ the life span but are easy to change.

My '79, that thing had rear springs with 12 leaves each in the rear. IIRC the tires were ten ply...? You may not believe it but I would stack 52 bales of hay on that thing—not for the road, but coming out of the field and down the lane. Try that with a mini van!

I replaced those springs when 11 leaves in each rear spring were broken. The only ones not broken were the 2 main leaves. I said, I don't know how they broke because I don't think they ever flexed. The axle never went up or down I don't think. Truck never squatted even under a heavy load. It rode like the proverbial lumber wagon. Now, I've seen modern one-ton pickups towing travel trailers with the rear suspension smashed down and the front suspension looking like it's about to lift the wheels up. But I guess Chevy, Ford and Dodge know the majority of buyers will never haul anything or maybe at best pull a two-horse trailer and they want ride quality over hauling capacity. In fact when I worked for Chrysler in the late 90's early 2000's that was an actual issue. Women especially would buy a one-ton for their one-horse farmette and then complain about the harsh ride.

But anyway...I'll have another beer :)
 
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I will most likely never need another truck, but I am pissed at GM right now the 2005 2500HD and my wife's low rider Chevy both lost tires in the back and tore the whole side of the bed up for lack of an inner fender. I swore if I ever needed another it would be a Toyota.
 

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