Hey guys, I know a lot of people here shoot bench and have never heard of these guys but if you have I would like to know what would make these barrels so "bad ***??" I was told by a guy that shoots for AI this weekend that this is the barrel brand I want!! His words were "bad ***!!"" He even hooked me up with a custom twist 1-7.8 6mm when he also had a Bartlein 1-7.5 setting around also!! The thing I heard is Hawk Hill's shop is so small (a good thing) that these guys can really pump out some tight tolerances.. From everyone here's past experience over the last 50 plus years is their something to say about small shops pumping out more accurate barrels in yall's experience?? It really seems everyone of the top guys in the PRS Series is moving to this brand of barrel.. Also I noticed these barrels are 4 groove instead of 5r like a lot of shops produce these days...
"Hawk Hill Custom" Barrels???
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Tim Singleton
Gold $$ Contributor
I have a 6mm blank just chambered. I hope to test tomorrow. I'll post back here with results.
I think one of the reasons they blew up is Tony Boyer listed them on equipment list this past year at the Nationals or Super Shoot one or the other I can't remember now.
Right after that they had to stop taking any new customer orders. Still that way from the web site
http://www.hawkhillcustom.com/rifle-barrels.html
I think one of the reasons they blew up is Tony Boyer listed them on equipment list this past year at the Nationals or Super Shoot one or the other I can't remember now.
Right after that they had to stop taking any new customer orders. Still that way from the web site
http://www.hawkhillcustom.com/rifle-barrels.html
Dusty Stevens
Shiner
Theyre not gonna put anybody out of business if thats what youre wondering.
Well, that says something because not only Tony Boyer but David Preston the top PRS champion used this barrel as well.. David Preston competed in the PRS his first time last season with this barrel and won the series.. I noticed a lot of other guys started moving in this direction later in the year.. Theirs something to say for small operations being able to pump out tighter tolerances and stricter quality control if you ask me.. Plus, I'm sure certain people get sent straighter than normal barrels.. I say if your lucky enough to purchase one of these straighter than normal barrels from a certain person (his own stash) then go for it!!Tim Singleton said:
Bergara barrels is also trying to make a move on the seen as well...
shortgrass
Silver $$ Contributor
While it's true that a precision barrel blank is the 'hart' of a rifle, what happens to it after it leaves the barrel maker has a lot to do with its ability to be accurate. It ain't all on the barrel maker, and those who ignor that will be the 'sheep' who just "follow the crowd". I've seen some barrels made by some of the best barrel makers become just mediocre shooters for lack of gunsmithing skills by the 'installer'. Don't forget the very important part the person 'driving' has, either.
I have a Hawk Hill in 30 BR with an 18 twist and it is a great barrel. Here is a target that I shot right after receiving it. I challenged a friend to a 10 shot match at these small circles. I used Bart's 112 gr. X-out bullets pushed by 34.5 gr. of N130 powder but have discovered that it likes H4198 better. However, the target below is 100/10x and I won the informal match. I have not had a chance to shoot it much in the last year but am looking forward to testing it more. Good shooting...James
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For $325 retail it looks like a good deal. That said some of the barrel makers are charging that price for their barrels that are hit and miss.
Good but not really great We all know the stories about the hummer barrels. Paying close attention to the barrel making process does make a difference.
Now it looks like a company is willing to go even farther to get to the point of really higher quality
Shortgrass is right though A great barrel can be useless if done by a bad smith. I have a rifle here done by a famous gunsmith that shoots lousy due to a crooked chamber,
I'll be checking out that web site to see whats the deal.
Good but not really great We all know the stories about the hummer barrels. Paying close attention to the barrel making process does make a difference.
Now it looks like a company is willing to go even farther to get to the point of really higher quality
Shortgrass is right though A great barrel can be useless if done by a bad smith. I have a rifle here done by a famous gunsmith that shoots lousy due to a crooked chamber,
I'll be checking out that web site to see whats the deal.
That,s good to know' I checked out the website listed with a request Or should i say order pending. I'm waiting for the reply.
I wish them luck in the future there is a lot of competition out there. Some of the current known suppliers are raising their prices and not giving discounts to Shooters
who wish to order a quantity for their rifles. In stead they would rather discount only to ffl holders.
After a while it gets sickening to some of us , because we do our own barrels and it sure is Nice to have several around for your own use.
I can't see why they only want to allow gunsmiths a discount. It's not fair. They worry about appeasing a few buys by hold up the retail prices.
I've seen some guys selling new blanks here but most of the time whats sold is surplus from someone that changing calibers or getting out of shooting.
I grant you there are a few that make a buck or two also It supposed to be a free market economy with quality and competition driving the price.
The true cost of that barrel blank is pretty low although added procedures to make the barrels like cryo do add to the blanks cost.
It seems like quick turn around and high price rule these days. No wonder we get beat by foreign competition'''.
I'm sure this will raise an eyebrow or two
I wish them luck in the future there is a lot of competition out there. Some of the current known suppliers are raising their prices and not giving discounts to Shooters
who wish to order a quantity for their rifles. In stead they would rather discount only to ffl holders.
After a while it gets sickening to some of us , because we do our own barrels and it sure is Nice to have several around for your own use.
I can't see why they only want to allow gunsmiths a discount. It's not fair. They worry about appeasing a few buys by hold up the retail prices.
I've seen some guys selling new blanks here but most of the time whats sold is surplus from someone that changing calibers or getting out of shooting.
I grant you there are a few that make a buck or two also It supposed to be a free market economy with quality and competition driving the price.
The true cost of that barrel blank is pretty low although added procedures to make the barrels like cryo do add to the blanks cost.
It seems like quick turn around and high price rule these days. No wonder we get beat by foreign competition'''.
I'm sure this will raise an eyebrow or two
XTR
F-TR obssessed shooting junkie
I got tired of waiting for a 6mm barrel I won at Phoenix and bought one from HH and put it on my new 6SLR; unfortunately I haven't had the time to figure out if it shoots or not. About the only think I know at this point is that the hole goes all the way through.
I don't buy into the idea that a 'small shop' is going to turn out barrel with tighter tolerances. Bartlein is one of the larger - if not the largest - cut-rifled barrel shops in the country, and I really doubt you're going to find any number of gunsmiths who think they've gotten sloppy with tolerances as they've grown in size. I stock only blanks from Bartlein & Krieger, but just this past Saturday, a customer showed up with a .237" bore 1-7.5tw blank from Hawks Hill for his Defiance Deviant. I chambered it in 6XC, and it's shooting quite well, but I didn't notice anything about either the way it dialed-in or the way it machined to make me think it's any better or worse than a Bartlein or Krieger would've been. Nothing against HH - I wish them success in their barrel-making business. But just because there's a bit of buzz on the 'net about a certain bbl maker doesn't mean they're suddenly the end-all/be-all in the barrel making world.
yes they do make good barrels so does Hart Shillen and a whole bunch of other brands Kreiger and Bartline are getting bigger all of the time
That said It a guess if one shoots tighter then another. We are blessed with a with variety of custom barrel makers.
I think I'll see just how good these are T Boyer is using them a few others.
Tony sets records and always on the search for the best he can get.
Its a bit of monkey see monkey do in Benchrest. Maybe they are better. Maybe they aren't.
I'll find out for myself. seeing I do my own work.
as I stated I have a rifle done by a very famous smith that charged ma a whole lot to chamber and do a few other things
The result was crooked chamber a lost great barrel, and an lot of over charge for some reason.
That said It a guess if one shoots tighter then another. We are blessed with a with variety of custom barrel makers.
I think I'll see just how good these are T Boyer is using them a few others.
Tony sets records and always on the search for the best he can get.
Its a bit of monkey see monkey do in Benchrest. Maybe they are better. Maybe they aren't.
I'll find out for myself. seeing I do my own work.
as I stated I have a rifle done by a very famous smith that charged ma a whole lot to chamber and do a few other things
The result was crooked chamber a lost great barrel, and an lot of over charge for some reason.
XTR
F-TR obssessed shooting junkie
My approach to barrels is that if I need one and don't have time to wait I will shoot pretty much anybody's if it is in stock. To that end I've got Brux, Bartline, Kreiger and Hawk Hill cut barrels and on my 223 F-TR rifle I shoot a 3 groove button rifled Lilja that is an absolute laser with 90s.
BR guys can probably really tell the difference in one barrel over another because they measure groups to .001 inches and groups in the .1s and .0s. For the rest of us shooting off of bipods, in weird position shooting in PRS, or heave forbid slinging up and shooting unsupported, most all of them are capable of shooting in the .25s which is better than any of us are capable of doing.
I got a really good look at the target that Jade shot the new FTR National record (200-13X) on at Phoenix, it was a legitimate .5 vertical for 20 shots, about 10 or so are in about ¼MOA on the water line, but all it all it shot 1/2 and that barrel has a lot of rounds on it. I'd take that every day, every time.
BR guys can probably really tell the difference in one barrel over another because they measure groups to .001 inches and groups in the .1s and .0s. For the rest of us shooting off of bipods, in weird position shooting in PRS, or heave forbid slinging up and shooting unsupported, most all of them are capable of shooting in the .25s which is better than any of us are capable of doing.
I got a really good look at the target that Jade shot the new FTR National record (200-13X) on at Phoenix, it was a legitimate .5 vertical for 20 shots, about 10 or so are in about ¼MOA on the water line, but all it all it shot 1/2 and that barrel has a lot of rounds on it. I'd take that every day, every time.
Thanks guys for all the comments... I have a top 3 guy willing to sell me his personal stock not listed for sell and he says I want the Hawk Hill even though he has others.. He may know something??? Fingers crossed I'm lucky with the barrel and the guy chambering it...
Raythemanroe
Bullet Whisperer
The high flyer was my fault, I tossed in a round early (#1) and the commands went slower then expected. I believe this heated my round and pushed my shot high.. Group is @ 1000y Williamsport match shootoff
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