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Front rest/Rear rest or Lead Sled

I am not a bench rest shooter, but I do try to get the smallest groups possible from all my rifles. They are all sporter or varmint rifles. I need to upgrade my front rest, but am resisting the $300-$700 price for a good front rest. How much do I give up if I get a new style $200 DFT Lead Sled? Or even the $300 Fire Control Lead Sled? I realize what I am asking is unconventional. I don't want to start a war, I just want some educated advice.

Thanks.

Bill
 
my experience with the fire control front rest , not very smooth and will not stay put(even with adjustment of the tension screws. i have a rock br now and like it much better but i am getting a shadetree top to put on my rock base soon as i can. dont go cheap like i tried and think that will be good enough, it wont.....
 
Take a look at the shade tree tops and the sinclair rests.They are priced reasonable. Make sure you geta front bag that matches the rifle stocks contour and a rear bag that will work with the type of butts on your rifle. Call protektor bags in galeton,pa,they will tell you which model rear bag you should get to fit properly.
 
Thanks for the replies. I got a chance to look at both Lead Sleds and decided they are too "Rube Goldberg" for me. They might be OK if you were just trying to tame recoil at the bench.

However, I also got a look at the Caldwell BR front rest. That seemed to be more of an "instrument". At <$200 they can't be the quality of the Sinclair, Shade Tree, Hart, etc. How do they measure up? From the reviews I read, the bags seem to be the biggest weak point and Protektor is just an hour away. ;D

Thanks again,

Bill
 
Not trying to be a smart a**, but, unfortunately, you only get what you pay for. Performance is enhanced with dollars.
 
Greg, I understand. Just trying to decide if a $750 rest will cut my groups 4 times better than $200 rest.

Bill
 
bsekf said:
Just trying to decide if a $750 rest will cut my groups 4 times better than $200 rest.

I used a Cowan $200 rest to shoot groups in the zeros and teens. The best way to reduce groups is with a custom barrel, the proper load tweaked with seating depth and neck tension, shot over wind flags. But, concentrate on the load, first and foremost.
 
Outdoorsman, I am using a cheap steel rest, it is too light and the adjustments are not precise. With it I have shot some 4's and 5's but it is an effort. Since getting a Sightron 36X, I really realize the effort! I am not going to compete and it will be just for load development and my amusement. I am leaning towards the Caldwell Rock BR at <$200. Anybody got a used one they hate????? ;D

Bill
 
All of this becomes apples and oranges if shooting style and rifle type are not specified. If you are talking about sporter stocks, you should be holding the rifle and bag squeezing for final aim. Coming up with a rest and bag for this, on a budget is easy. You don't need a windage top for this shooting style. If you are afraid that you will be giving up accuracy with this approach, consider my friend, Gary Ocock, who is near the top of the Benchrest Hall of Fame (short range CF). He uses an old Wichita rest, no windage top, a soft rear bag, and cheeks, and shoulders his rifles.

The big problem that I see is that very few shooters that have been shooting for any length of time, had anyone that really knew how to shoot, teach them about how to shoot from the bench in the first place. And by the time that they have been shooting for a while, they think that because for they have been doing it for a long time, that they know what they are doing. In most cases, for the vast majority of non-competition shooters, they don't, and they sure aren't interested in learning. They just keep trying harder, instead of making any changes, because they "know" how it is supposed to be done. Ask anyone that has done a little teaching. To a man, they would rather start out with someone that has the interest and aptitude, and is totally inexperienced...less wasted time arguing with the student. Most shooters leave a good deal of what their rifle and ammunition is capable of "on the table".
 
For under $200 this one is is hard to beat, I just bought one a couple months ago and really like it.

http://www.sinclairintl.com/.aspx/pid=38097/Product/Sinclair_Benchrest_Style_Lightweight_Rest
 
I have a rock br that I traded for and have nothing in it. I traded my brother and he wasn't wanting to trade me because of his dislikes of it. It is better than what I had before but I had no rest at all just bags. I mounted it to a 3/8" steel plate with adj screws and modified the slop in the windage top but the rest is still not "rock solid". I am gonna make A LOT more mods to tighten this thing up since another rest isn't in the budget. My brother got a sinclair and its a day and night difference. Save your $ for a better more quality rest and save yourself a lot of head aches.
 
I have a br rock. Check where the rest top attaches to the center post with the 1/4 x 20 counter sunk screw. I did on mine and noticed even with the screw tight the top rocked back and forth. I took it apart and found that the center post end was not cut square. Easy fix. I put it in the lathe and recut the end square with a slight concave cut so that when reassembled the top was solid against the post and does not rock anymore.

Also I think that Boyd has it on the button. I am trying to improve my shooting with no formal training and am finding it very hard to know when I am doing things fundamentally wrong or right. I read alot about what others are doing and try to implement what they do but don't have a mentor that can catch the little things necessary for improvement. It is frustrating to say the least.
 
Thanks for the added info apakesha have to check that out. I planned on possibly even turning out an entirely new center post because of fitment issues with the base
 

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