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From a retired Remington -R&D and Custom Shop Employee "Additional info added" More added!

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original m40

Smiley Mountain-"nickname" assembled the first M40 while at Remington

1962 - Mike Walkers Remington R&D Engineers

One thing I'd like to clear up in the very beginning; Most all people nowadays confuse R&D Custom rifles, with the later "Custom Shop" guns . R&D customs were almost exclusively C grade 700 rifles, 375 and 458 Safari rifles and a few F grades thrown in, but engraving was done in custom repair on those. This was many years before the Custom Shop, came into being.

Remington R&D had been around about forever and was on the second floor, uphill side of Hoefler ave, under direction of Sam Alvis.
Mike Walkers operation was bottom floor directly below.


From what I understood original R&D handled all jobs from arms and machine design, plant layout, etc, etc and testing which including destructive testing. One destructive test I saw the results of, would make a grown gun lover cry. A $2000 (1960s$) Holland and Holland double rifle blown sky high.
When they wanted something built, I guess they would have to rely on the tool room and custom repair to build it.
In the early 60's they thought it would be good to have an operation under their control, that could be partially self supporting by building target and custom rifles.
In 1962 the R.& D dept/shop was formed headed by Mike Walker, to design and build experimental, prototype and anything else the engineers could think of, plus projects for military/Govt.Contracts.

My father hoppy, was a machine setter and the first non salary person hired, then a couple machinists, a couple gunsmiths, Leon Johnson senior gunsmith, and myself, were hired to build the original C grade custom 700s, Safari rifles or anything else that needed a stock and a couple other guys built 40x target rifles.
We had all the equipment, machines and people to build anything they could dream up.
We did use the factory production receivers for both 700 and 40x rifles and in the beginning, we made all the barrels but later before I left, we used production barrels from the gfm machines for the 700s but contoured and finished them in R&D.
They had some good engineers already on staff and hired some new ones. Some good, some not so good.
When I first started they were working on a five shot semi auto grenade launcher. . They took some prototypes to somebody's camp on the lake for testing with dummy rounds for range, function etc. Results were good and we built some for testing by the military. There was never much said but rumor had it that a live round went off in magazine with several injured. . That pretty much put a squelch on that project. We also built the full auto shotguns model 7188 and m40 snipers for Nam.
Most all the engineers were ok but one exception comes to mind. There was an empty bench next to mine that the engineers would sometimes use. One new engineer, with the highest degrees you could get in book learning from NE ivy league college, who I don't know had ever touched a rifle, was in and out a dozen times a day to that bench next to mine, with a 40x with 2 ounce fire control. After a couple days of this, I walked over to see what he was doing. He said he couldn't get it adjusted. I asked if he wanted me to try and in about 30 seconds had it working perfectly.
One major gripe we in the shop had with engineering, was the fact that $100,000 might be allotted for a project and they'd use up $95,000 of it setting around with feet up on desk, talking about it, sometimes drawing pictures or throwing paper airplanes and then finally bring it into the shop and want us to build it for $5,000.
Some other engineers were really sharp. One in particular was a fantastic designer and artist. I remember his drawings of the mini gun he was working on for the govt. looked like it was the real thing laying on his desk. GE was finally awarded that contract.
A couple engineering screw ups they probably rather that I didn't say, one was when the 788 was first built they were all proud of themselves, They'ed designed a good looking, multiple locking lug rifle, reasonable cost to build. When they decided to take it to the gallery and test it for accuracy, and brought it to me to mount a scope. They took it up sat down at the bench fired the first round, ejected that case which hit the scope and fell back into the magazine, as did most every round thereafter. There was some hasty redesign on the ejector. Another time was we had an old cut rifling machine that was huge and they wanted to use the space for something else. it was moved out onto the scrap loading platform and sold to the company that picked up the scrap at probably 3 cents a pound. Not long after they came up with a brilliant idea a building a barrel that necked down from the chamber to smaller diameter at the muzzle and also wanted to try a progressive twist rifle where it started out slow and tightened up at the muzzle. Well, you can't do that with button rifling. they had to buy that old machine back that was still sitting on the dock. I don't know if it's true but I heard that the company charged them $3,000 for it. My father was the only one in the company that new how to run it. Neither idea worked out well so they shipped the old machine back out again.
Mike went an an African Safari and after he got back, showed us his slides, trophys and tusks one afternoon in his his office. A couple months later one of the engineers went on Safari and came back and showed his slides in the office. Most of his trophies were bigger and better than Mike's, He had had a picture of a live elephant and said, He stood there looking through the scope at the elephant and elephant looking back at him and said, "it was like shooting a cow in a pasture and I couldn't pull the trigger. That engineer moved on to Weatherby shortly thereafter.
I saved the best for last, One of the top engineers we'll call Mack, had a favorite saying if something wasn't going right or we weren't going fast enough, he would say "Are you on the ball"? one of the machinists we'll call George was turning something and having trouble with the lathe with Mack standing there impatiently waiting for the part and Mack said to George "are you on the ball"? and George said, "yes I am" and asked Mack, "are YOU on the ball ?" and Mack replied YES, to which George replied "Well, then swing right up and kiss my xxs" everyone within ear shot busted out laughing like crazy including Mack the engineer.
Smiley
 
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What a great story about industrial antics I am still remembering to this day. I could tell story's about a guy I nicknamed Jonny Lathe when I worked at Farrel Corporation that manufactured monstrous machine tools. Everyone had a nick name and aptly so.
 
What a great story about industrial antics I am still remembering to this day. I could tell story's about a guy I nicknamed Jonny Lathe when I worked at Farrel Corporation that manufactured monstrous machine tools. Everyone had a nick name and aptly so.
So true My buddy and I had this very conversation the other day He worked for a tool mfg co and said everyone had a nickname.
 
Totally enjoyed, and another vote for publishing as much of his writing as possible.

Another very worthwhile "History of" writing:
Dwayne W. Charron, former R&D Director for S&W, wrote a book in 2012:
"My Life Journey With Smith & Wesson"
It was published by his family, and I believe it's out of print, but sometimes found online.
Covers the development of Models 41, 52, 53, 76, and more.
 
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I worked for Remington after Dupont took over at Lake City. They were more concerned about safety than anything. You could run scrap and they wouldnt say a whole lot but break a safety rule and they would send ya to alacatraz. Great story Butch. Doug
 
First I have to give a little history to connect to the M40.
I was employed at Remington in 1963, first in production and then in 1964-65(?) moved to the research department as a custom gunsmith. Contrary to what the book says, the M40 was not originally produced in the "Custom Shop", which was an offshoot of our department at a later date. It was first built in what was known at the time as the "Research and Development Department" , which was a nearly new, self contained engineering/machine/production shop under Mike Walker, We had all the personnel and machines to design, build firearms and later bullets. We could do all phases from start to finish, including design, metal, woodworking, assembly and testing operations. Our job was to build experimental and prototype arms, and put the engineers ideas into steel and wood. We also built the "Custom C Grade 700's" (my primary job), and on the other side of the room, the 40x target rifles. I believe the 700 C's and 40x's were to help support the department.
At first there was about 4-5 machinists one of which was my father (barrelmaker/machine setter) who was the first employee in the department, two gunsmiths including myself, building 700 C's, and two building 40x's in addition to the bosses/engineers in other areas.

In late 65 or early 66 a couple engineers came to my bench with some rough shaped 700 stocks and asked me to build a stock for a prototype rifle. It was to use a 40x barreled action with a shortened barrel on a 700 stock. We set up a vertical milling machine to widen the barrel channels while one of the machinists shortened the barrel. I took one to my bench, installed an aluminum buttplate and finished shaping and bedding it. Over the next couple days I finished it with linseed oil, assembled it, mounted a scope and Voiola the first M40 was born and ready for testing. It was really no big deal. Just off the shelf (R&D) components put together in a different configuration. I'm almost positive that it had the standard factory bluing on the first couple we built. The other gunsmith Leon and myself, then built several more with Parkerized finish to military specs, for testing by the military When they ordered several hundred, we started building them but couldn't keep up with the 700C grade orders and the M40's, so they were shifted over to the 40x guys with extra help, then finally to what became the "Custom Shop."
I hope this has been informative and will try to answer any questions you may have, but don't forget it's right around 50 years since I have even seen an M40.
Smiley
 
Thank you for the effort , and very nice work on the M40 . The one that was "issued" to me was a excellent "Piece", and accurate when most needed . Very fond of that rifle , but was happy to get one of the very few M21's when they came "In-Country" with that modern variable scope . You guys did good work .
 

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