Forming the 30 X 47

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I purchased a rifle chambered in 30 X 47 Match .333 neck awhile back. I have been on a rather frustrating quest to obtain dies in order to load for this rifle. I know who the original owner is and got some history, but he doesn't want to sell the die. The die was manufactured by Redding and says 30 X 47 FL T2. I know the brass used was .308 Remington match brass (small primers). I also know who smithed the gun. The smith is supposed to form me some brass from the original die and send to me. That will be great, however Redding is telling me 28 weeks to get the die made, once I send in the brass and make an upfront payment. I'm not sure when I will get the brass from the gunsmith, as he is very busy. Does anyone have experience with one of these "old school" 30 X 47's that would sell me a die, or rent it to me? Or, any other suggestions on getting a die? As always, I appreciate your help.

 

[GSPV]

http://www.whiddengunworks.net/reloadingdies.html

Great people to work with. They had fired cases and my reamer print to make mine. As good a die as I've ever had.

You might also call Harrell's and Neil Jones. http://harrellsprec.com/index.php and http://neiljones.com/ , respectively.

 

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http://www.whiddengunworks.net/reloadingdies.html

Great people to work with. They had fired cases and my reamer print to make mine. As good a die as I've ever had.

You might also call Harrell's and Neil Jones. http://harrellsprec.com/index.php and http://neiljones.com/ , respectively.

Yes, I agree, Whidden is good to work with. I have their die for my 6 SLR. Their wait time is much less than Redding also. The former owner of the gun has the reamer and perhaps the print, but I doubt that I can get it. I am thinking that Harrell's will not make the 30 X 47 die, not certain? I had them make my 6 BR die and they are great to work with. Since I don't know how long until I have some brass in my hands to build a die from, I was hoping to find someone that would be able to put me ahead of the curve.

 

[GSPV]

Maybe make a chamber cast?

 

[alf]

Why are you not necking up 6.5x47 Lapua?

 

[JohnHenry]

I believe Harrell does make 30X47 fl bushing dies and Wilson's website indicates they make 30X47 seaters.

 

[GSPV]

Does anyone have experience with one of these "old school" 30 X 47's that would sell me a die, or rent it to me? Or, any other suggestions on getting a die? As always, I appreciate your help.

That's why he's not necking up a 6.5x47L. Before that case, the 30 hunter cases were made, I believe, from a 300 Savage or a 308. Probably others. I'm a little out of my comfort zone.

 

[WyoWindage]

Don't know xactly what 30/47 you speak of, but I have formed many short 308's from a cut off 308W die. I may have one yet. Tried/and shot 30x45, on up to 30x47. If you are wanting to see how they fireform, etc. just have a smith cut one off the required length. If I can find mine, I will send it to you. As I am sure you know, the die will size the base a little smaller the shorter you go. Ron.

 

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I believe Harrell does make 30X47 fl bushing dies and Wilson's website indicates they make 30X47 seaters.

Just got in, I will call Harrell's tomorrow and check on the Wilson seater dies. Thanks.

 

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Why are you not necking up 6.5x47 Lapua?

Not 100% positive, but have been led to believe that would not work in this chamber. Long story on why this has been such an ordeal and I don't want to post and have it taken wrong. I'm sure you know way more about this than I do. I know this individual was using a sharper shoulder angle than most at one time. The smith doesn't think this chamber is that way, but hasn't formed any cases for me yet.

Maybe make a chamber cast?

I made mention of that to a guy that forms custom brass. He waivered about shrinkage of the cast and told me there were so many different types of 30 X 47 out there that he would not take on the job.

 

[JohnHenry]

Some 30X47 info. http://bench-talk.com/articles/benchrest/256.html As Randy Robinette indicates, 30X47 chambers cut for a 300 Savage or Rem. 308 UBR parent case may have a web dia. of .466-.467. The web dia. of the 6.5X47 Lapua case is approx .470

Also see section on "score shooting cartridges" http://www.6mmbr.com/compcartridges.html

 

[alf]

Does anyone have experience with one of these "old school" 30 X 47's that would sell me a die, or rent it to me? Or, any other suggestions on getting a die? As always, I appreciate your help.

That's why he's not necking up a 6.5x47L. Before that case, the 30 hunter cases were made, I believe, from a 300 Savage or a 308. Probably others. I'm a little out of my comfort zone.

30x47 is 30x47, the case is 1.850" long.

You're right, cases were/are/can be made from full length 308 or 300 Savage brass, but the 47 case is already there. Until you make 20 pieces of 30x47 from full length 308 brass, you can't appreciate the simplicity of the 47 Lapua case.

 

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Does anyone have experience with one of these "old school" 30 X 47's that would sell me a die, or rent it to me? Or, any other suggestions on getting a die? As always, I appreciate your help.

That's why he's not necking up a 6.5x47L. Before that case, the 30 hunter cases were made, I believe, from a 300 Savage or a 308. Probably others. I'm a little out of my comfort zone.

30x47 is 30x47, the case is 1.850" long.

You're right, cases were/are/can be made from full length 308 or 300 Savage brass, but the 47 case is already there. Until you make 20 pieces of 30x47 from full length 308 brass, you can't appreciate the simplicity of the 47 Lapua case.

Would you have a 6.5 X 47 case that I could buy to try? If this works, I'll be one happy camper!

 

[WyoWindage]

Here is a 308W case compared to a short 308W, that I just ran thru my dies.
The full 308W case is about .468" at base, .452" at shoulder (fl sized from old chamber with a SB die). The short case is .4678" and .452". The short case was run into the die all the way, in about 1/4 turn increments. It is probably about 42 mm. The measurement from shoulder to neck junction is about 1.745" new, vs 1.408" after sizing.

 

[fm1947]

timeout, I jsu t happen to have a 30x47 lapua case, it was made by mistake , I grabbed the wrong expander and boom my 6.5x47 is now a 30x47L I measure the neck with out bullet measures .326, I turned these necks for my 6.5 that has a .288, I would send this to you if you like, I have no idea if it will work being old school 30x47, send me an email with your address and I will send it to you.