Flat Bottomed Actions
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Preacher
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Even my 3 lug BAT has a flat on the bottom to help prevent torquing, and they are no harder to bed than any other style would be. There is also a small flat that runs the complete length of the receiver. My BAT SV has only the flat in the middle of the action.
Even my XP's have a flat that serves as a type of mortise to prevent rolling as our #1 shooter mentioned. They are no harder to bed either .......
Even my XP's have a flat that serves as a type of mortise to prevent rolling as our #1 shooter mentioned. They are no harder to bed either .......
Back in the day when wood stocks were the norm, in LR highpower the Belted mags ruled. A rd bottom action such as a Rem 700 would torque as the bullet went down the tube & break the stock or the glass bedding. For this reason the Model 70 was the favorite. With todays synthetic stocks & better bedding materials it isn't a concern. M9
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There is a lot of Engineering and Physics being thrown around here. Round bottom actions versus flat bottom actions. If you have enough actions you have both. I don't buy the flat bottom comment that torque is absorbed better with a flat bottom action. If anything a round bottom allows and even distribution as the action and the stock become one when bedded. Loose action screws might allow the stock to absorb torque better with a flat bottom action but how many of us shoot with a loose screw or 2, no comment on that one.
I also don't buy the better to bed comment just the opposite. A glue-in if done well is the same with either action. A Pillar bed is same with both. A glue & screw which I like is the same with both. Bedding a Hall action compared to a Winchester makes you a believer in round bottom actions sooner than not. But I would not avoid an action based on flat or round. Action holds the barrel and the trigger and a place for the scope to camp out on, so be it.
Stephen Perry
Angeles BR
There is a lot of Engineering and Physics being thrown around here. Round bottom actions versus flat bottom actions. If you have enough actions you have both. I don't buy the flat bottom comment that torque is absorbed better with a flat bottom action. If anything a round bottom allows and even distribution as the action and the stock become one when bedded. Loose action screws might allow the stock to absorb torque better with a flat bottom action but how many of us shoot with a loose screw or 2, no comment on that one.
I also don't buy the better to bed comment just the opposite. A glue-in if done well is the same with either action. A Pillar bed is same with both. A glue & screw which I like is the same with both. Bedding a Hall action compared to a Winchester makes you a believer in round bottom actions sooner than not. But I would not avoid an action based on flat or round. Action holds the barrel and the trigger and a place for the scope to camp out on, so be it.
Stephen Perry
Angeles BR
I don't think it takes a physics genius to realize that a rd action can turn in the stock easier than a flat one. As I said with today's improved materials its not an issue. That's what rd things do is turn. As the inventor of the wheel discovered many moons ago. That's why a Mauser is flat. More modern rd actions such as the Remington 722 became the darling of the benchrest guys, mainly because a triple deuce with a slow twist doesn't torque the action enough too cause problems. OTOH the Model 70 became the darling of 1000 yd Highpower, because a 300 H&H does torque the action enough too cause problems in a wood stock, particularly with a quick twist for long boat-tails. M9
SP - it is simple physics...yet you continue to argue...
More surface area = stronger/stiffer bedding
Flat = can't torque/twist
Round = can torque/twist
We're talking torque, not recoil force...
Though only theoretical advantages, likely not quantifiable in the real world, they are still facts.
Just like a short and or single-shot action is stiffer and more accurate than a long and/or mag-fed action...
JB
More surface area = stronger/stiffer bedding
Flat = can't torque/twist
Round = can torque/twist
We're talking torque, not recoil force...
Though only theoretical advantages, likely not quantifiable in the real world, they are still facts.
Just like a short and or single-shot action is stiffer and more accurate than a long and/or mag-fed action...
JB
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