"fixing" a shoulder

[grovey]

I'm not sure I'm wording this right, but here goes... I recently bought some brass as a lot. mixed in that was some 1x fired stuff that someone screwed up. They pushed the shoulder back to far when sizing. This also caused case to expand at the shoulder junction and the shoulder itself to cave in, and it also made the necks longer.

My plans are to run a bigger expander thru it, and fl resize again. Would it be wise to have the brass annealed before moving it that much? I'd planned on using another die "bigger case" with the same shoulder angle to expand these before resizing. Am I full of it, or should this work to get this brass back to ready to fireform state?

 

[jonbearman]

What caliber is it and what kind of brass is it. Did you know it was messed up when you bought it. I would run it in a conventional sizer die and run a moderate load with the bullets jammed in to the rifling to seat the cartridge against the bolt face while fire forming. If it were me I would contact the guy asking for a refund if it wasn't stated that it was screwed up this bad.

 

[Erik Cortina]

I would throw the brass away.

 

[tclaunch]

I think you have a good plan, go for it. The shoulders sound like possibly damaged from an incorrectly adjusted seating die. Many new to reloading will not pay attention to the proper adjustment of the seater and crush shoulders to the point they do not chamber.

 

[grovey]

Norma 220 swift. Would annealing help at all, or is that just for brass that's been fired alot ?

 

[grovey]

243 die is what i had planned on expanding with since it has the same shoulder angle.

 

[7stubby]

I would throw the brass away.

Do as Erik has said.
Your face, hands, and/or life is not worth the price of the brass. Just buy new and start over. Chalk it up as a lesson learned.

 

[Gene66]

I agree with Erik

 

[22BRGUY]

What caliber is it and what kind of brass is it. Did you know it was messed up when you bought it. I would run it in a conventional sizer die and run a moderate load with the bullets jammed in to the rifling to seat the cartridge against the bolt face while fire forming. If it were me I would contact the guy asking for a refund if it wasn't stated that it was screwed up this bad.

I think Jon is right here....Can you get it to chamber in your rifle at all?

 

[grovey]

No rifle yet, but have plans for one with a bbl i have. I'm pretty sure they would not chamber though. I hadn't thought it would be dangerous to fire these if fl size. I do value my extremities though.

 

[Erik Cortina]

No rifle yet, but have plans for one with a bbl i have. I'm pretty sure they would not chamber though. I hadn't thought it would be dangerous to fire these if fl size. I do value my extremities though.

Count the amount of damaged brass, multiply that by $.25 and take the total and ask yourself if you would pay that much in an insurance policy against possible gun related accident. If your answer is yes, smash brass with a hammer and sell it as scrap or simply throw it away.

 

[CatShooter]

My plans are to run a bigger expander thru it, and fl resize again. Would it be wise to have the brass annealed before moving it that much? I'd planned on using another die "bigger case" with the same shoulder angle to expand these before resizing. Am I full of it, or should this work to get this brass back to ready to fireform state?

Anneal the cases before you start.

Expand the neck one or two sizes (243, or 257), then slowly push the neck back, by trial and error, until it takes effort to close the bolt.

Jamming the bullet is not enough on it's own.

Once fired, throw out any that don't blow out cleanly, and re-anneal the rest - then you are fine.

 

[fguffey]

I'm not sure I'm wording this right, but here goes... I recently bought some brass as a lot. mixed in that was some 1x fired stuff that someone screwed up. They pushed the shoulder back to far when sizing. This also caused case to expand at the shoulder junction and the shoulder itself to cave in, and it also made the necks longer.

That is impossible, the full length sizing die has case body support and the ability of the die to size a case shorter than minimum length/full length size is limited by the design, when the bottom of the die contacts the top of the shell holder, that is it, it is not possible to crush the die and or shell holder. Meaning if the case body/shoulder juncture has expanded someone bent/expanded the case while seating bullets. The seating die does not have case body support.

Case neck longer and or shorter. sizing the neck down lengthens the neck, necking the neck up causes the neck to get shorter.

F. Guffey

 

[dkhunt14]

I believe it can be smushed with a forester neck bushing die. You can push a shoulder with these and you don't size body which means it is not supporting case. If I didn't have much money in them I would pitch em. Depends upon how bad they are and if I could size and get back in gun. Matt

 

[CatShooter]

I believe it can be smushed with a forester neck bushing die. You can push a shoulder with these and you don't size body which means it is not supporting case. If I didn't have much money in them I would pitch em. Depends upon how bad they are and if I could size and get back in gun. Matt

Forster does not make a neck bushing die for the .220 Swift.

 

[grovey]

I just assumed that's how it was done since the cases are decapped.

 

[timeout]

I would throw the brass away.

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[CatShooter]

I would throw the brass away.

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Throw them to me... I shoot Norma .220 Swift cases. I'd love to have them.

 

[dkhunt14]

I believe it can be smushed with a forester neck bushing die. You can push a shoulder with these and you don't size body which means it is not supporting case. If I didn't have much money in them I would pitch em. Depends upon how bad they are and if I could size and get back in gun. Matt

Forster does not make a neck bushing die for the .220 Swift.

Says on Web they will custom grind. Matt

 

[CatShooter]

I believe it can be smushed with a forester neck bushing die. You can push a shoulder with these and you don't size body which means it is not supporting case. If I didn't have much money in them I would pitch em. Depends upon how bad they are and if I could size and get back in gun. Matt

Forster does not make a neck bushing die for the .220 Swift.

Says on Web they will custom grind. Matt

Says on web, "At this time, we are not making any custom dies."