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First time at 1000

So last week I got to shoot at 1000 yards with my 260 AI. Some background, my range is 300 yards. I have sent some further at groundhogs, but not much. I became friends with a man that builds his own rifles. He has an engineering background and is very precise about his builds. Has a logbook for each rifle, dopes out to 1k for some and 1.7 miles for others, in every condition he has shot in. ( I'll come back to this. )
I showed up that day with no intention of firing a shot. He is a busy man and his invite was "drop by Monday" which I did.
I brought a couple of rifles for him to look at and maybe get his thoughts on scope setup. He insisted we shoot.
I was very intimidated by the whole thing, conditions weren't fantastic. At launch point the wind was blowing around 16 mph. 1/4 value.
At 700 about that at 1/2 value.
At 1k the flag hung dead calm. But between the two chicken houses I was to shoot between, about 850 to 950 there were fans exhausting all kind of air and causing a fair amount of turbulence.
I climbed on the back of an ancient dump truck that held the table to set up on. No chairs. I really started doubting I could do this with my equipment.
After about 15 minutes, the owner showed up with his gear. He shoots off bipods preferring a realistic hunting scenario. I was shooting off a BR adjustable front and a rear bunny ear bag. I needed all the help I could get.
I hadn't brought my full dope sheet but popped Strelock up on the phone. I plotted it as accurately as I could, knowing this ballistic app would only get me in the ballpark.
I explained my inexperience to him, He asked a few questions about data at distance which made me inwardly cringe. After what little I gave we decided 58 up and a 3 o'clock hold would be good at 700. ( I was really doubting my chrono data at this point. )

I set up to fire, he spotted with his rifle ( topped with a 45x Nightforce ). He asked that I tell him when I was ready.
First shot felt good but hit 8 inches left and 10 inches high. Didn't watch the flags. Bad on me.
Adjusted down 5 clicks.
3 oclock left hold.
I watched that 700 yard flag and it seemed it would never come off the horizontal. When it drooped a bit and I felt the wind die on my face, I took the shot. I hit exactly where I was holding on the 8" steel target.
Now for 1k.
My host grinned at me and told me he set a golf ball up there for me. I told him I was going to try the 8" target near it first.
dialed up a total of 109 clicks from original zero. Settled down on the rifle to look at what I was about to shoot at. I had texted a friend about 30 minutes before and told him what I was about to do. He said "It's only 3000 feet." Somehow that sounded better than 1k yards. I just kept saying that. When the shot broke I had time for the rifle to settle after recoil and see the hit.

My host said "Dial down 3 clicks and let her rip." I did and and made a good hit on the target.
I was instructed to go for the golf ball. I whiffed one shot. My host took one with his rifle, about 6 inches left of the ball. I fired again and hit 2 inches low, I inch left.
He then invited me to shoot his rifle. This is a Large 6mm wildcat of his design with generous case capacity. I has a brake, and a 1 oz jewell trigger.
As I settled down on the rifle and adjusted the scope to my eye. My host checked his logbook, suggested a hold that seemed good.
The shot broke as I felt the wind settle, the 700 flag had drooped but at 3600 fps I saw what happened in a millisecond.
A truly awesome rifle, caliber, and platform.
My host is a quiet,low key , humble guy who doesn't make much of his rifles or his abilities. I can't thank him enough for letting me shoot today and got an invite back.
I recovered one of my ELDX bullets, about 8 to 10 inches in red clay dirt, core was gone, just found the jacket lower 2/3s.
I don't have an engineer's mind or habits, but I did make the 22 mile trek to town and buy some small spiral bound note pads so that I could start logging for different rifles. His vast data source on his rifle made for him that was a bit over 1/2 MOA left and dead on cold bore.
I had a lot of fun and learned quite a bit today.
Here is a pic of the impact zone. The 1k berm is about 25 feet in total height.
The 700 berm is around 5 feet high and lower in elevation.



He found my ball the next day ( there were 47 golf balls laying at the bottom of the berm) and brought it to me. Layed this up on the table, winked at me me and said " I still gotcha whooped."
Yes he does.
 
So last week I got to shoot at 1000 yards with my 260 AI. Some background, my range is 300 yards. I have sent some further at groundhogs, but not much. I became friends with a man that builds his own rifles. He has an engineering background and is very precise about his builds. Has a logbook for each rifle, dopes out to 1k for some and 1.7 miles for others, in every condition he has shot in. ( I'll come back to this. )
I showed up that day with no intention of firing a shot. He is a busy man and his invite was "drop by Monday" which I did.
I brought a couple of rifles for him to look at and maybe get his thoughts on scope setup. He insisted we shoot.
I was very intimidated by the whole thing, conditions weren't fantastic. At launch point the wind was blowing around 16 mph. 1/4 value.
At 700 about that at 1/2 value.
At 1k the flag hung dead calm. But between the two chicken houses I was to shoot between, about 850 to 950 there were fans exhausting all kind of air and causing a fair amount of turbulence.
I climbed on the back of an ancient dump truck that held the table to set up on. No chairs. I really started doubting I could do this with my equipment.
After about 15 minutes, the owner showed up with his gear. He shoots off bipods preferring a realistic hunting scenario. I was shooting off a BR adjustable front and a rear bunny ear bag. I needed all the help I could get.
I hadn't brought my full dope sheet but popped Strelock up on the phone. I plotted it as accurately as I could, knowing this ballistic app would only get me in the ballpark.
I explained my inexperience to him, He asked a few questions about data at distance which made me inwardly cringe. After what little I gave we decided 58 up and a 3 o'clock hold would be good at 700. ( I was really doubting my chrono data at this point. )

I set up to fire, he spotted with his rifle ( topped with a 45x Nightforce ). He asked that I tell him when I was ready.
First shot felt good but hit 8 inches left and 10 inches high. Didn't watch the flags. Bad on me.
Adjusted down 5 clicks.
3 oclock left hold.
I watched that 700 yard flag and it seemed it would never come off the horizontal. When it drooped a bit and I felt the wind die on my face, I took the shot. I hit exactly where I was holding on the 8" steel target.
Now for 1k.
My host grinned at me and told me he set a golf ball up there for me. I told him I was going to try the 8" target near it first.
dialed up a total of 109 clicks from original zero. Settled down on the rifle to look at what I was about to shoot at. I had texted a friend about 30 minutes before and told him what I was about to do. He said "It's only 3000 feet." Somehow that sounded better than 1k yards. I just kept saying that. When the shot broke I had time for the rifle to settle after recoil and see the hit.

My host said "Dial down 3 clicks and let her rip." I did and and made a good hit on the target.
I was instructed to go for the golf ball. I whiffed one shot. My host took one with his rifle, about 6 inches left of the ball. I fired again and hit 2 inches low, I inch left.
He then invited me to shoot his rifle. This is a Large 6mm wildcat of his design with generous case capacity. I has a brake, and a 1 oz jewell trigger.
As I settled down on the rifle and adjusted the scope to my eye. My host checked his logbook, suggested a hold that seemed good.
The shot broke as I felt the wind settle, the 700 flag had drooped but at 3600 fps I saw what happened in a millisecond.
A truly awesome rifle, caliber, and platform.
My host is a quiet,low key , humble guy who doesn't make much of his rifles or his abilities. I can't thank him enough for letting me shoot today and got an invite back.
I recovered one of my ELDX bullets, about 8 to 10 inches in red clay dirt, core was gone, just found the jacket lower 2/3s.
I don't have an engineer's mind or habits, but I did make the 22 mile trek to town and buy some small spiral bound note pads so that I could start logging for different rifles. His vast data source on his rifle made for him that was a bit over 1/2 MOA left and dead on cold bore.
I had a lot of fun and learned quite a bit today.
Here is a pic of the impact zone. The 1k berm is about 25 feet in total height.
The 700 berm is around 5 feet high and lower in elevation.



He found my ball the next day ( there were 47 golf balls laying at the bottom of the berm) and brought it to me. Layed this up on the table, winked at me me and said " I still gotcha whooped."
Yes he does.


It's a disease. Your in trouble. Good shooting
 
It's a disease. Your in trouble. Good shooting
Tell me about it. :) I can't wait to do it again. I wish I could describe his cartridge in more detail. I purposely didn't ask to many questions. A 6/06 AI with enough of this and that to call it his own thing is my best observation.
 
When you have a sound start with good accurate equipment, half the battle is over. The rest is just time on targets. Good luck. Sounds like you have the first part right.
 
I feel accuracy beats BC bullet speed is in a way is BC .
Pretty much of the long range is dominated with a 6mm dasher or something close . Why would someone want to change. Larry
 
I feel accuracy beats BC bullet speed is in a way is BC .
Pretty much of the long range is dominated with a 6mm dasher or something close . Why would someone want to change. Larry
Thanks for sharing Larry. He doesn't shoot in competition. All his rifles can be swapped to shoot any one of his series of cartridges. From 22 to 416 caliber. Barrel, bolt, check headspace and done. This was his mindset, I have seen one his targets at extreme range and it was phenomenal. Not necessarily what I'm into but impressive nonetheless.
The reason I enjoy this stuff so much is the different routes people take to achieve the same goal. He looked at what other folks had done and decided to do it differently and a bit better as longer ranges are his consideration. The Dasher is a wonderful cartridge, but didn't fit his needs. That's all.
 
Thanks for sharing Larry. He doesn't shoot in competition. All his rifles can be swapped to shoot any one of his series of cartridges. From 22 to 416 caliber. Barrel, bolt, check headspace and done. This was his mindset, I have seen one his targets at extreme range and it was phenomenal. Not necessarily what I'm into but impressive nonetheless.
The reason I enjoy this stuff so much is the different routes people take to achieve the same goal. He looked at what other folks had done and decided to do it differently and a bit better as longer ranges are his consideration. The Dasher is a wonderful cartridge, but didn't fit his needs. That's all.
Do not think that your handicapped by the venerable little 260ai. It is the perfect choice for your consideration. The extra velocity over most non Magnum 6.5 s will give all thats needed for the 1000+ yard range and winds that come with that range. Not to mention the added BC from the heavier 6.5 bullets. The new 147 Hornady ELD will fit the bill perfect. Yes there are better proven competition cartridges such as the dasher but at extended ranges with wind, that 260 with its 2900-2975 fps velocities will be a better fit. I believe that bullet is now available. Good luck.
 
Do not think that your handicapped by the venerable little 260ai. It is the perfect choice for your consideration. The extra velocity over most non Magnum 6.5 s will give all thats needed for the 1000+ yard range and winds that come with that range. Not to mention the added BC from the heavier 6.5 bullets. The new 147 Hornady ELD will fit the bill perfect. Yes there are better proven competition cartridges such as the dasher but at extended ranges with wind, that 260 with its 2900-2975 fps velocities will be a better fit. I believe that bullet is now available. Good luck.
It did fine. I don't mind a miss by 2 inches at 1000:) I was shooting the 143 eldx bullets. Not sure they have a 147.
In any case, they shot great.
 
It did fine. I don't mind a miss by 2 inches at 1000:) I was shooting the 143 eldx bullets. Not sure they have a 147.
In any case, they shot great.
Fun stuff. Yep they just introduced the 147. Think it's the match bullet. Their website has it at .698 BC. Whether that's accurate or not, who knows until some testing is done. If it is, the 7 mm bullets have some stiff competition.
 
Fun stuff. Yep they just introduced the 147. Think it's the match bullet. Their website has it at .698 BC. Whether that's accurate or not, who knows until some testing is done. If it is, the 7 mm bullets have some stiff competition.
Oh wow!
 
Great story. I can attest to big jumps like this helping me get to the point I am now which is to find the ABSOLUTE max each of my sticks can hit and anchor a groundhog. Years ago I was set up on a farmers alfalfa rows with roughly a 6/284 (actually a 6/7.5 x 55) throwing 105 Bergers at 3300 fps. The other bench had my 30/338 for longest shots. Guy loved my MBR based 6 and asked how far I had shot it before. I replied that it was a little over 1000 yards but that I used the BIG gun for the extreme shots. He persisted with questions about what it was capable of and asked about 1300. I had not considered this before but since I had a chart to 1500 I decided to find out, as I had realized I had not TRIED it. I could find no critters volunteering out there and he did not have all day so I finally found a white round stone about silver dollar size against a red clay backdrop that I could point out to him as he was on my BigEyz. The distance was virtually exactly 1300 yards. I added the clicks from the 810 yards last fired successfully to reach the stone.

There was no wind *(big whew here) and I decided right then and there I would hit the stone. I then found out what the bubble I had read about was real as I totally escaped the rest of the world for THE SHOT.

Shot fired, stone disappeared, farmer goes batshit giddy and I had to stay cool like I expected it all along. Farmer leaves to call all his buddies to come sit with us and shooting buddy asks "How in the hell did you do that?"

I replied that I had told him I had done the work to get my charts representing my sticks by a lot of observation and I expected to miss left or right but felt really good on the elevation.

That day was the LAST day that I was the restriction as to what I could accomplish and I felt stupid for letting it happen. NO MORE!

My newest stick, my .260 Ackly is an absolute laser and gives me greater expectations than my other sticks. Golfballs at 1000 are NOT a dream for a good 6.5
 
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Good story as well Randy! I didn't feel hampered by my cartridge at all. I won't feel hampered trying it with a 308 either. I try not to worry about what folks say can't or shouldn't be attempted. I just love to shoot.
I shoot 22 rimfire at 300 alot just for fun. A great way to waste ammo, impress your buddies ( or get ribbed for choking), and learn wind dynamics on your home range. It also justifies expensive scopes and 15 and 20 MOA rails on your rimfire:)
I shoot for fun, not for score - even in a competition, which I rarely do. When I shoot paper, I am shooting against my personal best and stay disappointed enough with that:eek:
Hope it never stops being FUN!!!
 
Good story as well Randy! I didn't feel hampered by my cartridge at all. I won't feel hampered trying it with a 308 either. I try not to worry about what folks say can't or shouldn't be attempted. I just love to shoot.
I shoot 22 rimfire at 300 alot just for fun. A great way to waste ammo, impress your buddies ( or get ribbed for choking), and learn wind dynamics on your home range. It also justifies expensive scopes and 15 and 20 MOA rails on your rimfire:)
I shoot for fun, not for score - even in a competition, which I rarely do. When I shoot paper, I am shooting against my personal best and stay disappointed enough with that:eek:
Hope it never stops being FUN!!!
If it ain't fun, WHY DO IT !! ??
 

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