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First 6x47 Lapua

wildcatter

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I found this on the forum several months ago, it was a 16.8# 6mm Dasher and was a good price from Brandon C who had just built it and decided to go another route! So did I, when it came I never fired the first shot in it, as to me the 28" barrel was a bit long for a Dasher, or a 6x47L for that matter to suite my preference.
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So in no hurry I took it to my smith and had him check the timing and firing system which needed a little tweaking. I then had just built the 6BR Norma on the Axis for a 600 yard match rifle. so was spending the spare time this summer getting it dialed in,, which I did with GREAT SUCCESS!! But the past 3 or 4 weeks, when it was worth some testing in these late fall early winter weather patterns I am starting to see a light at the end of the tunnel.

I have only tried H4350 in it with less than 50 rounds thru it fire forming, The last loads, with 38.5 to 40.5 grains were showing some promise just shooting 3 and 4 shot groups. I was mainly trying to find what kind of consistency I could expect, and some descent groups before getting into seating depth and neck tension. This rifle truely appears to be willing to shoot, but I don't plan to get real serious yet going into winter.
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After the initial testing at 100 with first a 3 shot then a 4 shot group with 39.2, 39.5, and 39.8 grain loads, it kinda showed it liked the 39.5 the best, so I loaded 5 each and started seating a tad deeper in the rifleings from just off to touch with the the initial loads. It seemed to like the .008" jam better than the .003" jam, as 3.105" oal is just touching.

I was happy and looking good, but with plenty more d=room in my cases, before I started a tuning frenzy with just trying one powder, Monday of this week I decided to try some H4831,,,, and am I glad I did! I don't see a great gain in accuracy yet, as the two targets above are holding right at .250" moa with the H4350. But running around 20fps ES, one slightly over, and one just under.

But the first day out with 4350, ES were unbelievable, and again, no depth testing or neck tension, just the very first 3, 5 shot groups, and only at 100 yards, but without wind flags and mainly just testing velocity and consistency,,, still keeping 5 shots in the .4".s without any wind flags in switchy light wind! These are 108's, in both powders, and I am going to work first with the H4831!
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Next time out with the H4831 I plan to take 41.5 and 41.9 as well as 5 at 43.1. I don't what the 42.2 would have registered, but will reshoot it too, and see, but I didn't want to stop and mess with the chronograph in the damp hazy weather, but after the first group I removed the ski screen's and it clocked the last two loads fine. The good thing is, I'm not even able to see the beginning of a burr on the primers with the first two loads, and barely with the 42.8 grain load. At any account, take on shot from any of those groups and I'm in the .2"s.

Time will tell but I think I am starting to feel better about deciding to go with the 6x47 Lapua! I'm getting enough speed to make me happy, and I get under .250" moa's, without stomping the guts out of my brass, this should be very easy on barrels, and no more than I shoot 600 yards, be quite satisfactory. All in all just getting started with it, I'm happy!
 
I found this on the forum several months ago, it was a 16.8# 6mm Dasher and was a good price from Brandon C who had just built it and decided to go another route! So did I, when it came I never fired the first shot in it, as to me the 28" barrel was a bit long for a Dasher, or a 6x47L for that matter to suite my preference.
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So in no hurry I took it to my smith and had him check the timing and firing system which needed a little tweaking. I then had just built the 6BR Norma on the Axis for a 600 yard match rifle. so was spending the spare time this summer getting it dialed in,, which I did with GREAT SUCCESS!! But the past 3 or 4 weeks, when it was worth some testing in these late fall early winter weather patterns I am starting to see a light at the end of the tunnel.

I have only tried H4350 in it with less than 50 rounds thru it fire forming, The last loads, with 38.5 to 40.5 grains were showing some promise just shooting 3 and 4 shot groups. I was mainly trying to find what kind of consistency I could expect, and some descent groups before getting into seating depth and neck tension. This rifle truely appears to be willing to shoot, but I don't plan to get real serious yet going into winter.
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After the initial testing at 100 with first a 3 shot then a 4 shot group with 39.2, 39.5, and 39.8 grain loads, it kinda showed it liked the 39.5 the best, so I loaded 5 each and started seating a tad deeper in the rifleings from just off to touch with the the initial loads. It seemed to like the .008" jam better than the .003" jam, as 3.105" oal is just touching.

I was happy and looking good, but with plenty more d=room in my cases, before I started a tuning frenzy with just trying one powder, Monday of this week I decided to try some H4831,,,, and am I glad I did! I don't see a great gain in accuracy yet, as the two targets above are holding right at .250" moa with the H4350. But running around 20fps ES, one slightly over, and one just under.

But the first day out with 4350, ES were unbelievable, and again, no depth testing or neck tension, just the very first 3, 5 shot groups, and only at 100 yards, but without wind flags and mainly just testing velocity and consistency,,, still keeping 5 shots in the .4".s without any wind flags in switchy light wind! These are 108's, in both powders, and I am going to work first with the H4831!
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Next time out with the H4831 I plan to take 41.5 and 41.9 as well as 5 at 43.1. I don't what the 42.2 would have registered, but will reshoot it too, and see, but I didn't want to stop and mess with the chronograph in the damp hazy weather, but after the first group I removed the ski screen's and it clocked the last two loads fine. The good thing is, I'm not even able to see the beginning of a burr on the primers with the first two loads, and barely with the 42.8 grain load. At any account, take on shot from any of those groups and I'm in the .2"s.

Time will tell but I think I am starting to feel better about deciding to go with the 6x47 Lapua! I'm getting enough speed to make me happy, and I get under .250" moa's, without stomping the guts out of my brass, this should be very easy on barrels, and no more than I shoot 600 yards, be quite satisfactory. All in all just getting started with it, I'm happy!
What brand of brass are you using?
 
Lapua 6.5x47 run thru my FL die and neck turned to .265" loaded for my .268" nk. I've not had one load over .5" moa since I fire formed these 37 cases I've been working with.

I have not even started to tune any load I've put on paper yet and was worried that what I read about others saying this cartridge was finicky, but it is appearing to be quite the opposite. I've not shot a 5 shot group twice yet with anything I've loaded.

I don't have any 150 or 160 to try, but if I did I'd load three shot batches just to see how they did. I'm going to see what 7828 will do. I aint in no hurry with this weather and time of year to get serious tuning a load. I'd rather wait till I have at least some mid 50 degree days to do that. But I think so far this cartridge is anything but finicky!
 
Lapua 6.5x47 run thru my FL die and neck turned to .265" loaded for my .268" nk. I've not had one load over .5" moa since I fire formed these 37 cases I've been working with.

I have not even started to tune any load I've put on paper yet and was worried that what I read about others saying this cartridge was finicky, but it is appearing to be quite the opposite. I've not shot a 5 shot group twice yet with anything I've loaded.

I don't have any 150 or 160 to try, but if I did I'd load three shot batches just to see how they did. I'm going to see what 7828 will do. I aint in no hurry with this weather and time of year to get serious tuning a load. I'd rather wait till I have at least some mid 50 degree days to do that. But I think so far this cartridge is anything but finicky!
I might suggest Varget in the 35-36 grain range. I have been pleasantly surprised how well it works. Normal Caveats as to drop down and be safe.
105 grain bullet class

Bill Bowers
 
I might suggest Varget in the 35-36 grain range. I have been pleasantly surprised how well it works. Normal Caveats as to drop down and be safe.
105 grain bullet class

Bill Bowers
Thanks for the info sir! I have thought about that, I have plenty of Varget right now, and was going to try some later, My go to load with Bib 95 grain HPBTs in my 6BR Norma are killer with Varget, aging .2's and some in the 1's when I do my part. I for sure am hoping I can get this Panda shooting as good as that gun does,,, a jerked over Savage Axis in a 3" Laminated BR stock with a 1.5 pound trigger.

That gun has given ES's for given strings under 10 fps, with a 30.0 grain load at 3000 fps average. So is that about the velocity your getting in your 6x47 L with that bullet and load of Varget? 3000 fps works for me, and anything extra is just bonus.
 
Thanks for the info sir! I have thought about that, I have plenty of Varget right now, and was going to try some later, My go to load with Bib 95 grain HPBTs in my 6BR Norma are killer with Varget, aging .2's and some in the 1's when I do my part. I for sure am hoping I can get this Panda shooting as good as that gun does,,, a jerked over Savage Axis in a 3" Laminated BR stock with a 1.5 pound trigger.

That gun has given ES's for given strings under 10 fps, with a 30.0 grain load at 3000 fps average. So is that about the velocity your getting in your 6x47 L with that bullet and load of Varget? 3000 fps works for me, and anything extra is just bonus.
With a 30” barrel a little over 3000fps. Will go faster but I found best groups, es and sd around that velocity
 
With a 30” barrel a little over 3000fps. Will go faster but I found best groups, es and sd around that velocity
We had a 30" 6BR barrel and ended up shortening it to 26" and lost 12 fps doing it. I will never chamber a 6BR even a AI or dasher longer than 26,,, absolutely no gain, and I think the 30" losses manners handeling, cleaning and on the rest over a much better balanced and well mannered 26".

The 6x47 Lapua I went with 27.5" as well as my 6mmAI, but that extra 3 to 4 inches going to 30" or more, has never gained me 10 fps per inch at those lengths with the same barrel. Now on a large capacity Mag case with 7mm and larger calibers, I think it's a different story.

But I am all about forgiveness and efficiency, and would go 24" before going 30" on a BR case. Another reason I went with the 27.5" barrel on the 6x47L was the intent to use the slowest powders suitable, like H4831, and as I said, I might be able to use the even slower IMR7828, but H4895, Varget, XBR8208 and the such, I have found better suited to the 26" barrel length, and will gain very little beyond that in the 6mm. Limited experience, but from mine and those I've witnessed this seems to hold true.

My 6MM AI with a 27.5" 1-8 twist showed what a waste it was trying to drive these big 108's and 103's over 3000 to 3080 fps or so. Accuracy just goes to hell the faster over that I drove them. With 4 different powders from H4350 to IMR7828 The higher "RPM's" just were not willing to play. I could take them to 3300+ fps but what good is speed when you your loosing accuracy.

These are some of my experiences with the fast twist barrels needed to stabilize these big long bullets in my 6mm. Why run 12 to15 grains more powder to get the same velocity? Although slowing down the load also drops pressure, which reduces heat and flame temp in the throat, and possibly extending Barrel life, but definitely gaining brass life, and it was sssmmmmmmoooooottthhhhh shooting.

I also decided to build the 6BR Norma on that 6mm AI barrel and go to the excellent Bib 95 grain HPBT bullet which has not only shined around that 3000 fps range, without stomping the guts out of the brass! I call it my Dasher beater, and why when I bought this Panda I never shot the brand new Dasher chamber, besides it was 28" longer than I prefer in that case.

But my hope was to drive them 108's I wanted to shoot or 103's, 105's, bullets in this range, knowing 3000-3100 is my target speed, and wanted to do that without stomping on the load. Which should give me the same performance, with a lot less pressure, better brass life, longer barrel life, and a lot smoother running bolt. But I aint sure the 27" barrel is any better in practical purposes than a 26" would have been. Will I get the accuracy they are getting in the Dasher??? Time will tell, but so far it looks like it will, and still be as friendly finding good loads, soon will see if it is as easy to tune those decent loads, or are they just going to be decent?
 
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We had a 30" 6BR barrel and ended up shortening it to 26" and lost 12 fps doing it. I will never chamber a 6BR even a AI or dasher longer than 26,,, absolutely no gain, and I think the 30" losses manners handeling, cleaning and on the rest over a much better balanced and well mannered 26".

The 6x47 Lapua I went with 27.5" as well as my 6mmAI, but that extra 3 to 4 inches going to 30" or more, has never gained me 10 fps per inch at those lengths with the same barrel. Now on a large capacity Mag case with 7mm and larger calibers, I think it's a different story.

But I am all about forgiveness and efficiency, and would go 24" before going 30" on a BR case. Another reason I went with the 27.5" barrel on the 6x47L was the intent to use the slowest powders suitable, like H4831, and as I said, I might be able to use the even slower IMR7828, but H4895, Varget, XBR8208 and the such, I have found better suited to the 36" barrel length, and will gain very little beyond that in the 6mm. Limited experience, but from mine and those I've witnessed this seems to hold true.

My 6MM AI with a 27.5" 1-8 twist showed what a waste it was trying to drive these big 108's and 103's over 3000 to 3080 fps or so. Accuracy just goes to hell the faster over that I drove them. With 4 different powders from H4350 to IMR7828 The higher "RPM's" just were not willing to play. I could take them to 3300+ fps but what good is speed when you your loosing accuracy.

These are some of my experiences with the fast twist barrels needed to stabilize these big long bullets in my 6mm. Why run 12 to15 grains more powder to get the same velocity? Although slowing down the load also drops pressure, which reduces heat and flame temp in the throat, and possibly extending Barrel life, but definitely gaining brass life, and it was sssmmmmmmoooooottthhhhh shooting.

I also decided to build the 6BR Norma on that 6mm AI barrel and go to the excellent Bib 95 grain HPBT bullet which has not only shined around that 3000 fps range, without stomping the guts out of the brass! I call it my Dasher beater, and why when I bought this Panda I never shot the brand new Dasher chamber, besides it was 28" longer than I prefer in that case.

But my hope was to drive them 108's I wanted to shoot or 103's, 105's, bullets in this range, knowing 3000-3100 is my target speed, and wanted to do that without stomping on the load. Which should give me the same performance, with a lot less pressure, better brass life, longer barrel life, and a lot smoother running bolt. But I aint sure the 27" barrel is any better in practical purposes than a 26" would have been. Will I get the accuracy they are getting in the Dasher??? Time will tell, but so far it looks like it will, and still be as friendly finding good loads, soon will see if it is as easy to tune those decent loads, or are they just going to be decent?
I completely agree
 
I build one this past July.
Had an older Marlin X7HV model in 22-250 which I had worn out the barrel and wanted to test a 6mm. Thought of many available cartridges and settled on the 6x47L .
Had my own reamer made to my leade spec.
Bought some Peterson brass and began to load develop and tune.
Note" I am a varmint hunter!.
My load is 39.2 grn IMR4451 and will continue to use till is gone, under an 87Vmax
Barreled with a brux 1n8 twist light Palma contour at 25" long it has been a sweetheart to shoot.

And since I'd already had on hand 1,100 ; 22-250 cases on hand decided to case for to 6x47 lapua out of them.
,....yes I know (WHY)...
It's winter"...got all the time to spare* plus it's easy to do.
And yes have heard it is a finicky cartridge..
That has not been the case for me...
Beautiful rifle by the way!
 
I found this on the forum several months ago, it was a 16.8# 6mm Dasher and was a good price from Brandon C who had just built it and decided to go another route! So did I, when it came I never fired the first shot in it, as to me the 28" barrel was a bit long for a Dasher, or a 6x47L for that matter to suite my preference.
View attachment 1390843

So in no hurry I took it to my smith and had him check the timing and firing system which needed a little tweaking. I then had just built the 6BR Norma on the Axis for a 600 yard match rifle. so was spending the spare time this summer getting it dialed in,, which I did with GREAT SUCCESS!! But the past 3 or 4 weeks, when it was worth some testing in these late fall early winter weather patterns I am starting to see a light at the end of the tunnel.

I have only tried H4350 in it with less than 50 rounds thru it fire forming, The last loads, with 38.5 to 40.5 grains were showing some promise just shooting 3 and 4 shot groups. I was mainly trying to find what kind of consistency I could expect, and some descent groups before getting into seating depth and neck tension. This rifle truely appears to be willing to shoot, but I don't plan to get real serious yet going into winter.
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After the initial testing at 100 with first a 3 shot then a 4 shot group with 39.2, 39.5, and 39.8 grain loads, it kinda showed it liked the 39.5 the best, so I loaded 5 each and started seating a tad deeper in the rifleings from just off to touch with the the initial loads. It seemed to like the .008" jam better than the .003" jam, as 3.105" oal is just touching.

I was happy and looking good, but with plenty more d=room in my cases, before I started a tuning frenzy with just trying one powder, Monday of this week I decided to try some H4831,,,, and am I glad I did! I don't see a great gain in accuracy yet, as the two targets above are holding right at .250" moa with the H4350. But running around 20fps ES, one slightly over, and one just under.

But the first day out with 4350, ES were unbelievable, and again, no depth testing or neck tension, just the very first 3, 5 shot groups, and only at 100 yards, but without wind flags and mainly just testing velocity and consistency,,, still keeping 5 shots in the .4".s without any wind flags in switchy light wind! These are 108's, in both powders, and I am going to work first with the H4831!
View attachment 1390852


Next time out with the H4831 I plan to take 41.5 and 41.9 as well as 5 at 43.1. I don't what the 42.2 would have registered, but will reshoot it too, and see, but I didn't want to stop and mess with the chronograph in the damp hazy weather, but after the first group I removed the ski screen's and it clocked the last two loads fine. The good thing is, I'm not even able to see the beginning of a burr on the primers with the first two loads, and barely with the 42.8 grain load. At any account, take on shot from any of those groups and I'm in the .2"s.

Time will tell but I think I am starting to feel better about deciding to go with the 6x47 Lapua! I'm getting enough speed to make me happy, and I get under .250" moa's, without stomping the guts out of my brass, this should be very easy on barrels, and no more than I shoot 600 yards, be quite satisfactory. All in all just getting started with it, I'm happy!
I have 2 6X47 laps and the like R17. Use one grain less than H4350.
 
What kind of stock does this rifle have?
I like it!
Not sure the stock maker, but it is nice traking stock with the adjustable rudder, and
4" forearm, comes in complete at 16# 10 oz. I being a retired Ironworker was drawn in more to stars and stripes theme in the stock with the "Spud Wrench" representing the last stripe in the theme. Like I said it came to me as a new build with less than 100 rounds in 6mm Dasher. I never shot it till it was rechambered to 6x47 Lapua.

So far I'm very happy with it. But I do need to bush the bolt for the firing pin before competing with it for reliability. Being a 1991 vintage Panda, the bolt does have the large diameter pin and channel. I have blanked a couple primers before seeing any real pressure. Which is why I went with this cartridge, to hit the 3000 to 3150 fps range where the 108's seem to perform the best, without stomping on my loads to get it.
 
Going on hold for some bolt work. The older Pandas had a larger firing pin and hole than desirable. So before I continue with any tuning, I'd like to go up with the 4831, it shows promise and shot best where I stopped, but with no signes of pressure blanked one primer with that 42.8 load. The three shot groups were even better with 43.0 grains, but also blanked a primer. nice rounded cups with light bolt lift, and no markings on my brass heads says I need to take care of this first!
 
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