Federal/CCI to donate 20 Million .22 Rounds to Boy Scouts and other youth groups

[DaveWhite]

from today's Shooting Wire:

Federal Premium® Ammunition and sister company CCI® have dedicated 20 million rounds of rimfire ammunition to youth shooting sports programs. The Boy Scouts of America will receive 10 million .22 LR shells, and another 10 million will be sent to other organizations.

Looks like it may be a bit longer before the smallbore market returns to normal. Anyone have an idea what the daily capacity of the CCI plant in Lewiston is? 20 million rounds sounds like a lot, but that is only 4000 cases of 5000. That may only represent a week or two of production...

 

[CJ6]

Federal is supplying the Minnesota DNR with 22rf ammo for use with their FAS classes, and have been for some time (we actually received some Match some years back). We have occasionally seen Winchester T-22 and Fiocchi.

 

[firearmdoc1]

I wouldn't care if this set the supply back 6 months or more. The important thing is getting our youth involved in the shooting sports. They are the future of our sport.

 

[Todd DuBose]

From what I have read on CCIs web page, They are making 4,000,000 rounds a day in 22 LR ammo. They are working 24 hours a day trying to get it out there for all to be able to shoot. The problem that I see being a reseller of Ammo and Guns is We aren't seeing this...Conspiracy Theroy?? Hmmm...

 

[MildBill]

from today's Shooting Wire:

Federal Premium® Ammunition and sister company CCI® have dedicated 20 million rounds of rimfire ammunition to youth shooting sports programs. The Boy Scouts of America will receive 10 million .22 LR shells, and another 10 million will be sent to other organizations.

I don't think they are donating it, well maybe not to all youth groups anyway.

I am familiar with a county 4-H shooting program, and they were sent paperwork that they could fill out and send to Federal to apply for being able to purchase at a reasonable price a sufficient amount of .22 long rifle to help the program out through the current years situation of availability problems.

There was a lot of validation documentation that needed to accompany the application papers to make sure the offer was not abused by hoarding bandits.

What Federal, actually technically probably ATK, is doing to help the youth programs out is great.

 

[CT10ring]

Sounds good no matter how you slice it. Shooting a .22 when you're young,
Great fun & training. Good for CCI.

 

[JimT]

In ATK's 10-K SEC financial filing covering the period ended March 31, 2013, they disclose a significant backlog in their Sporting Group which includes CCI and Federal. They also disclose that they anticipate that this entire backlog will be fulfilled by March 31, 2014.

Further, they disclose in numerous places throughout the 10-K that the surge in ammo orders may not be indicative of future sales (they book sales revenue when product is shipped) and that the orders are cancelable and that they believe many vendors have placed orders that are above what they may take future delivery of.

In short, at some point in the next 6 months I predict that we will see a significant shift in the dynamics of the .22 market such that hoarders and profiteers will be crushed!

 

[1Merlin]

I think it is getting better every day..... The last time (last election) we had this situation it really started clearing up in about 9 months and before a year went by it was pretty well back to "normal."

Just a question that may not require an answer..but. Isn't there a huge difference between a hoarder and a profiteer...?

It seems to me that what most call a hoarder is someone who believes in creating a stock of supplies that protect them from future shortages of "whatever" the commodity might be.

My conception of a "profiteer" is someone who is selling a commodity for a much greater than normal margin and thereby "taking advantage" of a short term shortage of a material/commodity...

IMHO - One who prepares, and is prepared for a shortage of "something" due to his wisdom and foresight is to be admired as a wise and cautious person.. IF the materials/goods "hoarded" are for their Personal Use.........

Again, IMHO, a profiteer is to be avoided and looked upon with scorn and contempt....

 

[JimT]

I think it is getting better every day..... The last time (last election) we had this situation it really started clearing up in about 9 months and before a year went by it was pretty well back to "normal."

Just a question that may not require an answer..but. Isn't there a huge difference between a hoarder and a profiteer...?

It seems to me that what most call a hoarder is someone who believes in creating a stock of supplies that protect them from future shortages of "whatever" the commodity might be.

My conception of a "profiteer" is someone who is selling a commodity for a much greater than normal margin and thereby "taking advantage" of a short term shortage of a material/commodity...

IMHO - One who prepares, and is prepared for a shortage of "something" due to his wisdom and foresight is to be admired as a wise and cautious person.. IF the materials/goods "hoarded" are for their Personal Use.........

Again, IMHO, a profiteer is to be avoided and looked upon with scorn and contempt....

In the situation at hand it is clear to me and many other rational people that what is happening with .22 ammo is clearly sheer folly. After Sandy Hook, it could be considered rational to rush to acquire AR-15's, 30 round magazines, .223 ammo, etc. I don't see how .22 ammo fits in this picture, and I am not alone.

The problem with your definition of hoarding and applying it to the current situation with .22 ammo is that the hoarding is causing the shortage, thus they are not "preparing" for a shortage. Stated another way, the people building a significant inventory of .22 ammo are not applying what I would call "wisdom and foresight." I suspect the father and son looking for .22 ammo on Sunday morning in preparation for the kids first range outing (just like fathers and sons have done for many, many years) might agree with me. Read the link below for more information on this mental disorder:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hoarding/DS00966/DSECTION=risk-factors

The current .22 ammo hoarding dementia is very similar since people are acquiring much more ammo than they ever did (and they never had trouble acquiring it previously, I might add) and they are not using it because their fragile mental state won't allow it.

Accordingly, we have unprecedented production followed by an unprecedented lack of usage, resulting in the largest build up of private .22 ammo in basements and closets in the history of mankind!! This episode will surely be the subject of medical psychology case studies for years to come.

 

[SGW Gunsmith]

What an "excellent" gesture on the part of Federal! Our shooting future lies with our youth, and partnering up with the Boy Scouts of America, is a great way to teach these young folks safe and sane firearms handling procedures. KUDOS to you Federal for what you do.

 

[SGW Gunsmith]

I think it is getting better every day..... The last time (last election) we had this situation it really started clearing up in about 9 months and before a year went by it was pretty well back to "normal."

Just a question that may not require an answer..but. Isn't there a huge difference between a hoarder and a profiteer...?

It seems to me that what most call a hoarder is someone who believes in creating a stock of supplies that protect them from future shortages of "whatever" the commodity might be.

My conception of a "profiteer" is someone who is selling a commodity for a much greater than normal margin and thereby "taking advantage" of a short term shortage of a material/commodity...

IMHO - One who prepares, and is prepared for a shortage of "something" due to his wisdom and foresight is to be admired as a wise and cautious person.. IF the materials/goods "hoarded" are for their Personal Use.........

Again, IMHO, a profiteer is to be avoided and looked upon with scorn and contempt....

I couldn't agree more. There were many whiners who were complaining during the last .22 rimfire shortage of a few years back. apparently, they learned NOTHING during that fiasco.
I shoot a lot of .22 rimfire on my range in back of my shop, a LOT. So, I keep a LOT on hand and if that makes anybody's undies get knotted up, so be it. There's no investment on their part.
Try planning ahead and keep a brick of your favorite .22 rimfire ammunition on hand, for a lousy $50.00, or so, it's a good investment for when you need it, and when it comes time to take little Freddie out shooting, you have it all together.
I'll buy .22 Long Rifle ammunition as I find it available and am the ONLY one contributing to that "stash", and will NEVER be persuaded to do anything in a different or condescending manner:

I'll be shooting several hundred rounds of this recently received .22 ammunition today from four .22 rimfire rifles to test them for accuracy:

If that may trouble some, too bad, I'll be smiling most of the afternoon.

 

[jelenko]

I couldn't agree more. There were many whiners who were complaining during the last .22 rimfire shortage of a few years back. apparently, they learned NOTHING during that fiasco.
I shoot a lot of .22 rimfire on my range in back of my shop, a LOT. So, I keep a LOT on hand and if that makes anybody's undies get knotted up, so be it. There's no investment on their part.
Try planning ahead and keep a brick of your favorite .22 rimfire ammunition on hand, for a lousy $50.00, or so, it's a good investment for when you need it, and when it comes time to take little Freddie out shooting, you have it all together.
I'll buy .22 Long Rifle ammunition as I find it available and am the ONLY one contributing to that "stash", and will NEVER be persuaded to do anything in a different or condescending manner:

I'll be shooting several hundred rounds of this recently received .22 ammunition today from four .22 rimfire rifles to test them for accuracy:

If that may trouble some, too bad, I'll be smiling most of the afternoon.

OK. That's more than I have.

 

[ROBARRC50]

I couldn't agree more. There were many whiners who were complaining during the last .22 rimfire shortage of a few years back. apparently, they learned NOTHING during that fiasco.
I shoot a lot of .22 rimfire on my range in back of my shop, a LOT. So, I keep a LOT on hand and if that makes anybody's undies get knotted up, so be it. There's no investment on their part.
Try planning ahead and keep a brick of your favorite .22 rimfire ammunition on hand, for a lousy $50.00, or so, it's a good investment for when you need it, and when it comes time to take little Freddie out shooting, you have it all together.
I'll buy .22 Long Rifle ammunition as I find it available and am the ONLY one contributing to that "stash", and will NEVER be persuaded to do anything in a different or condescending manner:

I'll be shooting several hundred rounds of this recently received .22 ammunition today from four .22 rimfire rifles to test them for accuracy:

If that may trouble some, too bad, I'll be smiling most of the afternoon.

Thats a few range sessions. Nice job

 

[SGW Gunsmith]

Much of it will end up in the berm behind my target stands. I shot a bunch of the rounds above doing some testing yesterday 6/23, and will post some pictures & info soon.

 

[pirate ammo]

This thread was first posted 8 years ago, maybe one day they'll do it again.