f class scoring
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By the number of X's
B Nettesheim
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Creedmoor
The person with the highest value for their last shot wins
The person with the highest value for their last shot wins
If SCORE & X COUNT are the same. Then it goes to what is known as "Creedmoor". The last X on your score card, if it is closer to the 20th or last score, you win. EXAMPLE: You and Joe have a 200-16X score. If your last X was on the 20th shot and Joe's was on shot 17, YOU win..
According to the rulebook several tiebreakers should be used before the Creedmoor.
15.4 In all matches, ties will be decided as follows:
(a) By the greatest number of X’s over the course.
(b) Any tie not decided by the above will be decided:
(1) By the highest total numerical score at the longest range or simulated longest range.
(2) By the greatest number of X’s at the longest range or simulated longest range.
(3) By the highest total numerical score at the next longest range or simulated longest range.
(4) By the greatest number of X’s at the next longest range or simulated longest range.
(c) In the event the tie is not broken, the scores at each range, in the above order will be ranked:
(1) By the fewest misses.
(2) By the fewest hits of lowest value.
(3) By the fewest hits of next lowest value.
(4) In slow fire individual stages, by the value of the hits in inverse order, counting singly from last to first (X’s being hits of highest value).
(5) In rapid fire individual stages at one range and one position, by the value of strings in inverse order.
15.4 In all matches, ties will be decided as follows:
(a) By the greatest number of X’s over the course.
(b) Any tie not decided by the above will be decided:
(1) By the highest total numerical score at the longest range or simulated longest range.
(2) By the greatest number of X’s at the longest range or simulated longest range.
(3) By the highest total numerical score at the next longest range or simulated longest range.
(4) By the greatest number of X’s at the next longest range or simulated longest range.
(c) In the event the tie is not broken, the scores at each range, in the above order will be ranked:
(1) By the fewest misses.
(2) By the fewest hits of lowest value.
(3) By the fewest hits of next lowest value.
(4) In slow fire individual stages, by the value of the hits in inverse order, counting singly from last to first (X’s being hits of highest value).
(5) In rapid fire individual stages at one range and one position, by the value of strings in inverse order.
This is only true if only Xs and 10s are involved. It could be decided by any shot of superior value. 8 to 7, whatever.
Oh I am quite sure.. But the only time I remember having to use the "Creedmoor Rule" was mostly at 300 and a few times at 600. I don't ever remember having to use it at 1000. So it always seemed to come down to "last x".. But that is just my experience.
Ned Ludd
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Rule 15.4c - (4) In slow fire individual stages, by the value of the hits in inverse order, counting singly from last to first (X’s being hits of highest value).
This is the rule most often used in F-Class by a large margin, and it is more commonly known as the Creedmoor Rule, exactly as Shootdots stated above. The reasons for this are that F-Class matches are all slow-fire. Further, the number of matches fired at a single distance (i.e. 600 or 1000 yd) far outweigh the number of matches fired at multiple distances (i.e. 300/500/600 or 800/900/1000 yd).
By default those two conditions most often will push determination of tie-breakers down to Rule 15.4-c. I have never seen Rule 15.4-c1, -c2, or -c3 used as a tie breaker in an F-Class match. However, I have also never seen a situation where two shooters had an identical numerical score and X-count in a 300/500/600 MR or 800/900/1000 Palma LR match, so I can't say they are never been used by match directors in certain types of matches where score tie situations have occured. However, my interpretation of Rule 15.4-c4 is that the use of the term "slow fire" supersedes" Rules c1/c2/c3 as a tie-breaker, just as the term "rapid fire" in 15.4-c5 means it would would supersede Rules c1 through c4.
This is the rule most often used in F-Class by a large margin, and it is more commonly known as the Creedmoor Rule, exactly as Shootdots stated above. The reasons for this are that F-Class matches are all slow-fire. Further, the number of matches fired at a single distance (i.e. 600 or 1000 yd) far outweigh the number of matches fired at multiple distances (i.e. 300/500/600 or 800/900/1000 yd).
By default those two conditions most often will push determination of tie-breakers down to Rule 15.4-c. I have never seen Rule 15.4-c1, -c2, or -c3 used as a tie breaker in an F-Class match. However, I have also never seen a situation where two shooters had an identical numerical score and X-count in a 300/500/600 MR or 800/900/1000 Palma LR match, so I can't say they are never been used by match directors in certain types of matches where score tie situations have occured. However, my interpretation of Rule 15.4-c4 is that the use of the term "slow fire" supersedes" Rules c1/c2/c3 as a tie-breaker, just as the term "rapid fire" in 15.4-c5 means it would would supersede Rules c1 through c4.
So you've just determined that c1 to c3 are NEVER used as every stage is either slow-fire or rapid-fire.
Ned Ludd
Silver $$ Contributor
So you've just determined that c1 to c3 are NEVER used as every stage is either slow-fire or rapid-fire.
Perhaps you should have read what I wrote more carefully.
Well, that sentence directly contradicts the interpretation below it. You leave no logical possibility where 1-3 could be used.
The only logical interpretation is that 1-3 are used then if necessary 4 or 5 is used based on slow or rapid fire.
Ned Ludd
Silver $$ Contributor
Congratulations - you're the acknowledged king of nitpicking. What I stated, and Ben stated earlier in the thread, is that the Creedmoor Rule is used to separate the vast majority of ties in F-Class matches. That is a fact, whether you like it or not. I'm done.
And you're the king of not admitting you're wrong even about a nit.
I accept the claimed fact. And it's clearly not according to the written rules. Which, unfortunately is not at all surprising.
Your interpretation seems to be an attempt to rationalize the discrepancy. It's a major logical failure.
Ned Ludd
Silver $$ Contributor
But I wasn't wrong. What I stated was, in fact, 100% correct, and I clearly pointed out where there might be a gray area. That is not a failure of logic. Why not provide an example where you know for a fact that Rules c1, c2, or c3 have actually been correctly used to address a tie in an F-Class match. Betcha can't. As was stated, the Creedmoor Rule is the rule to used to address ties in F-Class matches. You can't admit that your whole purpose for existing here seems to be to stir the pot and attempt to make people think you know more than you actually do. In other words, you are wasting people's time with your incessant bloviating on simple questions that have already been answered in a satisfactory manner. Thank goodness for the ignore button.
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The value of the thread is to share the correct method of breaking ties.
That is absolutely NOT to go directly to creedmoor as this thread shows that even experienced shooters often think. All it takes is one 8 versus two 9s and the tie should be broken without going to creedmoor.
Your interpretation above eliminates options one through three from ever being used. That is wrong.
Right or wrong, I have never seen a tie broken using anything but "The Creedmoor Rule".. I have been shooting F-Class since 2011 and almost never miss a match.. I doubt very seriously if any other "method" has ever been used...
I tied Jim Murphy in Az State midrange in April, he took second, I took third, creedmoor rule decided.
I am very surprised! Not that the "Creedmoor Rule" was used >>> But that Jim did not come in first! He is some kind of good shot!!
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