F-Class Nationals Lodi, Wi

[KT]

I see a bunch of people that weren't at Lodi throwing a lot of hate. Also it just so happens a lot of them are near Raton or Phoenix.

I'm not a fan of the e-targets. I had some issues while I was shooting on them, however what I do appreciate is, Lodi and their members stepping up and hosting the Nationals. I can't even imagine the amount of time and stress that was involved.

As far as the firing points, get over it. I shot on 2 and 5 and yes it was muddy. It didn't affect me shooting at all. I don't like laying on Rocks at Phoenix but that doesn't keep me from going. My point is that everyone is always going to find something they don't like.

With the relays I don't think there was a huge advantage. Most of the people that were close on scores were shooting pretty close to each other. EVERYONE at Lodi got hammered by the conditions.

As always I had a blast shooting and seeing my friends from all over the country.

 

[Ned Ludd]

Also the reason you do not see me post on the fourm is my spelling is terable and i did not listen when I was in school. so please excuse my spelling.if you people doint make to much fun of me i might answer your questions.
EARL LIEBETRAU

E-MAIL Earlekl@mwt.net

I didn't always listen when I was in school either. Your spelling is fine and everyone understands the intended message perfectly. Thank you for taking the time to answer here on the forum, your responses are much appreciated.

 

[Jay Christopherson]

Thank all of you for entering into this discusion. The problems with thar we encountered with thr wi-fi you can rest assured it will be taken care of.I do not work in that dept but I will be sure that it willl be taken care of had we known that it was not going to work well it would have been fixed.
As for squadding there was a number of ways considered the one thjat I would hav perfired was 2 shooters place there gear on the line in the same time period side buy each. One relay would shoot and than the other relay would shoot as soon as the first shooter compleated at the compleation than they would clear the line and relay 3&4 would move up in the same manner as 1&2 did. this would save quite a bit of time. It was done that way in califorina when they held the championships.
The reason that it was not done that way wich would have preserved the realys staying together but at the mid range we tried to get that acomplished but most of thecompetitors resestad the ider of sharing the firing point with another.i Very seldom adopt another countrys system but in this case it works well and saves many houres on the range. when we could be enjoying a tall cool one of your choice.
I think that ih av most of the threads about the match. wich I take very sersosly. One other Item that I do not see mentioned here is the time that is being alowed to fire I personaly think that there is 30 min. allowed to fire in f-class shooting. Ithink it should be limited to 1min. pershot. If i thought That i wouldent get tared and feathered I would change the times to 25min per string with unlimited sighters and to 22min per string for 2 and 20.
Another thing that will be taken care of will be the hole behind the low end of the thousand yd line.

Also the reason you do not see me post on the fourm is my spelling is terable and i did not listen when I was in school. so please excuse my spelling.if you people doint make to much fun of me i might answer your questions.
EARL LIEBETRAU

E-MAIL Earlekl@mwt.net

I was a little surprised at the 30 minute time period. All of the matches I shoot locally are 22m for 2 and 20, and 25 for unlimited as you say. Which is more than enough time, IMO.

 

[KarinL]

Jay
Thanks for the agrement on the times Ian the reason for the f-open and the f-tr being on the same relays is because we thought that if relay 123 all shot together and 456 were all together and they were all f-open and f-tr were all on the same we could give the morning condtions to the same number of open and f-tr shooters. but the infiltration squading kind of messed that up.

Would like to here some more on the times I need info

Earl

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

Before you go messing with the times, please read the NRA rules on this issue.

8.2 Time Allowances:

(a) Slow Fire—The time allowance is one minute per shot, except that at ranges over 600 yards it may be up to 1 1/2 minutes per shot if so specified in the program. At distances of 1000 yards, where unlimited practice shots are allowed, all record firing and practice firing must
be completed within the time limit of 30 minutes for a 20 shot match. This is computed at 1 1/2 minutes per shot for each record shot. In the Palma Course, all practice firing and the specified 15 record shots must be completed within a 22 minute time limit per stage.

In other words, you did it right, don't mess with it.

 

[fbraun]

Before you go messing with the times, please read the NRA rules on this issue.

8.2 Time Allowances:

(a) Slow Fire—The time allowance is one minute per shot, except that at ranges over 600 yards it may be up to 1 1/2 minutes per shot if so specified in the program. At distances of 1000 yards, where unlimited practice shots are allowed, all record firing and practice firing must
be completed within the time limit of 30 minutes for a 20 shot match. This is computed at 1 1/2 minutes per shot for each record shot. In the Palma Course, all practice firing and the specified 15 record shots must be completed within a 22 minute time limit per stage.

In other words, you did it right, don't mess with it.

+1

 

[KWeigel]

Before you go messing with the times, please read the NRA rules on this issue.

8.2 Time Allowances:

(a) Slow Fire—The time allowance is one minute per shot, except that at ranges over 600 yards it may be up to 1 1/2 minutes per shot if so specified in the program. At distances of 1000 yards, where unlimited practice shots are allowed, all record firing and practice firing must
be completed within the time limit of 30 minutes for a 20 shot match. This is computed at 1 1/2 minutes per shot for each record shot. In the Palma Course, all practice firing and the specified 15 record shots must be completed within a 22 minute time limit per stage.

In other words, you did it right, don't mess with it.

I'm not an expert on rules, I'm not claiming to know anything about this. However that rule specified unlimited sighters.

 

[Erud]

Before you go messing with the times, please read the NRA rules on this issue.

8.2 Time Allowances:

(a) Slow Fire—The time allowance is one minute per shot, except that at ranges over 600 yards it may be up to 1 1/2 minutes per shot if so specified in the program. At distances of 1000 yards, where unlimited practice shots are allowed, all record firing and practice firing must
be completed within the time limit of 30 minutes for a 20 shot match. This is computed at 1 1/2 minutes per shot for each record shot. In the Palma Course, all practice firing and the specified 15 record shots must be completed within a 22 minute time limit per stage.

In other words, you did it right, don't mess with it.

While 1000 yard matches usually go with the 90 seconds per record shot time limit, the rule clearly states that the one minute per shot limit "MAY" be up to 90 seconds per if specified in the program. Seems to me that they could be shot in any time limit from 60-90 seconds per shot as long as the program specifies the time.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

While 1000 yard matches usually go with the 90 seconds per record shot time limit, the rule clearly states that the one minute per shot limit "MAY" be up to 90 seconds per if specified in the program. Seems to me that they could be shot in any time limit from 60-90 seconds per shot as long as the program specifies the time.

I don't agree. It specifies 1000 yards. The greater than 600 means 800 and 900. It's not very well written.

 

[Erud]

I don't agree. It specifies 1000 yards. The greater than 600 means 800 and 900. It's not very well written.

Well, we can definitely agree that it isn't well-written! You may be right, but The way it reads to me, the 1000-yard part is only mentioned to clarify that the total match time can't exceed 30 minutes, regardless of the number of sighters taken.

 

[mattt]

Linked 3 posts above yours.

Well, we can definitely agree that it isn't well-written! You may be right, but The way it reads to me, the 1000-yard part is only mentioned to clarify that the total match time can't exceed 30 minutes, regardless of the number of sighters taken.

Where is the interview with Will Dixon our new f/tr champ for 2016? must be waiting on results?

 

[Erud]

Where is the interview with Will Dixon our new f/tr champ for 2016? must be waiting on results?

How the heck should I know? I don't even shoot F-class. I have no idea why you are quoting me, do you want me to interview him or something?

 

[Jay Christopherson]

Where is the interview with Will Dixon our new f/tr champ for 2016? must be waiting on results?

Why don't you do some legwork, write one up, and then submit it for publication? I know the Boss always appreciates user contributed material. Seems like you have a desperate interest given your post history on this thread, I say take the bull by the horns and get 'er done.

 

[Immike]

I don't even shoot F-class.

You should try it. It's good cross training for bench or any sport. You seem to know the rules well.

 

[Ray Gross]

Where is the interview with Will Dixon our new f/tr champ for 2016? must be waiting on results?

Rich Dixon.

 

[B Mize]

I for one really liked the ET's.
Yep, there were a few red X's and a few lost siginals here and there, but how many times have we blown the spotters through the target and had to wait 2-3 min for it to be repaired???
Slow, inconsistent pit service, even at the nationals, been there done that. 7 seconds delay, love it.
When i had siginal problems it was rarely more than 1 minute before it was fixed.

Firing line......I shot on T 3 twice, T 15 on team day and T 29 I think on the last Day. All had there quirks.
Squadding.......day one, last years champ shot on T4 R1or 2, right beside me, shot a 199. I was on T3, R5, I shot a 199. Were there exceptions, sure, every range has quirks. A lot of it is luck of the draw no matter where you go.

Everyday was a scramble to hurry before the rain came. I think it was a good effort by the match director to try and move things along. Didn't always work, got caught in the rain a few times, but if we had done the normal 30min, change shooters, etc, we would have had to put lights on the targets
. Stuff got muddy, so what, out West it All gets full of dirt and send.

Big thanks to all that had a hand in putting together the FCNC this year.
I hope I can make it back next year.

 

[Lbart]

Where is the interview with Will Dixon our new f/tr champ for 2016? must be waiting on results?

For crying out loud, quit your griping. Take a look at this link. There is even a photo.
https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2016...t-at-2016-nra-f-class-national-championships/
For the LR scores go here - http://www.silvermountaintargets.com/uploads/6/3/4/4/63444023/2016_fcnc_long_range_matches.pdf
For the MR scores go here - http://www.silvermountaintargets.co...2016_fc_national_championship_matches__1_.pdf

 

[USMCDOC]

Before you go messing with the times, please read the NRA rules on this issue.

8.2 Time Allowances:

(a) Slow Fire—The time allowance is one minute per shot, except that at ranges over 600 yards it may be up to 1 1/2 minutes per shot if so specified in the program. At distances of 1000 yards, where unlimited practice shots are allowed, all record firing and practice firing must
be completed within the time limit of 30 minutes for a 20 shot match. This is computed at 1 1/2 minutes per shot for each record shot. In the Palma Course, all practice firing and the specified 15 record shots must be completed within a 22 minute time limit per stage.

In other words, you did it right, don't mess with it.

What this says is:

At 600 yards and less, the time period will be 1 minute for each shot. Ideally, you would have a 3 minute prep, then a 22 minute time block to shoot sighers and 20 shots for record. Or if the match director decides to run a block time, it would be a 25 minute block time. (Something i happen to like), block times encompass the prep, sighters and record shot.
Individual matches that are shot at distances greater than 600 yards and equal to or less than 900 yards, the time period will be at the discretion of the match director for a time period of between no less than 60 seconds to no greater than 90 seconds per shot. All individual matches shot at 1000 yards shall be shot in a time frame of 30 minutes to include unlimited sighters and 20 shots for record. All Palma matches shall be shot in a time frame of 22 minutes for unlimited sighters at 800 yards and 15 shots for record, at 900 & 1000 yards, it shall still be a 22 minute time frame with two sighters and 15 rounds for record..

 

[Highpower-FClass]

Take a look at this link. There is even photo.
https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2016...t-at-2016-nra-f-class-national-championships/

Larry, that is a great write-up, very well done! And congratulations on your 53rd anniversary, that's quite a feat.

 

[Erud]

You should try it. It's good cross training for bench or any sport. You seem to know the rules well.

Maybe someday. Don't have the time for it now.