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Eyeglasses for Shooting

Well, since I had my eyes checked last week it seems it's time for a new prescription. I started researching on line, and with the help of a Shooter via e-mail who also happens to be an optician. He gave me some sound advice so this afternoon armed with a hand-full of facts and figures I went back to my local optician. He concurred with everything the fellow shooter/optician suggested so I placed my order. I am hoping that this kind fellow will do an article or Blog for this site with some recommendations.

Here's some of what I found out:
For shooting where a shatterproof material is a must you basically have only two choices. Polycarbonate, or Trivex made by PPG. Most optical shops will tell you Poly, because that's what they sell the most of. This would be OK however when we start looking at what is the best optic material we are confounded with a problem. Glass is the best, with an ABBE number of about 58,the measurement of chromatic aberration, higher being better) unfortunately glass's two biggest problems are weight,,glass has a Specific Gravity number of about 2.50,here the higher number the more weight) and worse yet glass shatters. Have a case let go at 60,000PSI and you could lose an eye, or worse.
Polycarbonate being very strong and shatter resistant unfortunately only has an ABBE number of 30. Not the best optically especially when you are looking off axis. Poly however, is much lighter with a Specific Gravity number of about 1.20.
So that leaves PPG Trivex. Trivex is nearly as strong as Poly and is much better optically with a ABBE number of about 45 and a lighter Specific Gravity of 1.11. Very light but strong.
It was also suggested to me to go with a GOOD, AND IT WAS EMPHASIZED TO ME GOOD anti-reflective coating which I did. I also included the "Transitions" photocromatic coating to eliminate the need for extra sunglasses. However, Transitions I was told may not turn dark enough within an automobile to be useful as sunglasses since most auto windshields are tinted to block the UV rays that trigger the Transitions.
I did all this in a no line bifocal which was a compromise in itself since one focal plane for shooting might be a better bet, but then again you're buying two pairs of glasses. Same thing goes for having your prescription ground to be off center axis for looking through the scope. You'd need to go with a shooting specific pair of glasses, and another pair for your everyday life. Can get expensive real fast if you're not careful.
As it was told to me, as far as eyeglasses are concerned "Everything in optics is a trade-off...there is NO perfect answer".
Pick a good licensed Optician that is familiar with ALL the options available to you, do not deal with a "frame stylist" unless being trendy or pretty is your only goal. Another quote, "Good Opticians, like good Gunsmiths are not cheap in the short run, but always cheaper long term".
Remember, you only have one pair of eyes, so protecting them must be the first priority,remember the trade offs), otherwise you are playing "Russian Roulette" every time you pull that trigger.

Danny
 
Great report Danny. We should try to expand on this and make it a permanent addition to the site content. I'll see if I can find some images of the listed products.
 
I have a major problem in that I have to turn -any scope eyepiece- all the way in, just to get a focus on the reticle.

I have no idea why, or what to do about it. I'm reasonably nearsighted due to astigmatism...
But I know my scopes loose a great deal of magnification set up this way.
 
Danny

Great topic and post - hope you can get an article or at least some more input for this thread from your optician.

Mike and Edwin

The typical eyepiece,ocular assembly) on most scopes provides a corrective range of 3 diopters,-2 to +1 diopter) which is adequate for most users. Those of us that are getting older suffer from Presbyopia,poor accommodation - lack of ability to focus close up) and need additional correction,over and above that for our other eye problems) to deal with our lack of accommodation than the typical eyepiece provides.

This must be provided by eyeglass or contact lens,see friendly optician for your shooting needs). You may also consider using one of Gene Davis's add on lenses,+2 or +3 diopters) on you eyepiece,if available) which would also boost the magnification. That option is not available for those shooting Hunter Benchrest,can't use add-on to the 6x scope).

Maybe a judicious use and placement of the stick-on reading lens,looks like about +2 diopter) mentioned in Paul's 8/11 Bulletin item would also work.
 
I recently found a set of Liberty Rec Specs that I bought many years ago for racketball and basketball. These have very large lenses and sit high on my face and have made a world of difference in my shooting. Also they are padded with a firm cushiony matl in all areas that can contact the face and this has really helped with my 30BR where the scope occasionally hits my glasses under recoil.

I checked the Liberty site and this style with the full cushion is no longer offered but they do have some with similar features.
 
Have a pair of the cushioned type safety glass's....good for motorcycle and lots of wind but very hot with no wind and fog over very easy...these are trifocals...just ordered safety glasses that accept an insert that will take corrective lenses....Wiley x, Adidas and others offer these....if your LOOKING for corrective safety glasses.
 
dreever said:
Well, since I had my eyes checked last week it seems it's time for a new prescription. I started researching on line, and with the help of a Shooter via e-mail who also happens to be an optician. He gave me some sound advice so this afternoon armed with a hand-full of facts and figures I went back to my local optician. He concurred with everything the fellow shooter/optician suggested so I placed my order. I am hoping that this kind fellow will do an article or Blog for this site with some recommendations.

Here's some of what I found out:
For shooting where a shatterproof material is a must you basically have only two choices. Polycarbonate, or Trivex made by PPG. Most optical shops will tell you Poly, because that's what they sell the most of. This would be OK however when we start looking at what is the best optic material we are confounded with a problem. Glass is the best, with an ABBE number of about 58,the measurement of chromatic aberration, higher being better) unfortunately glass's two biggest problems are weight,,glass has a Specific Gravity number of about 2.50,here the higher number the more weight) and worse yet glass shatters. Have a case let go at 60,000PSI and you could lose an eye, or worse.
Polycarbonate being very strong and shatter resistant unfortunately only has an ABBE number of 30. Not the best optically especially when you are looking off axis. Poly however, is much lighter with a Specific Gravity number of about 1.20.
So that leaves PPG Trivex. Trivex is nearly as strong as Poly and is much better optically with a ABBE number of about 45 and a lighter Specific Gravity of 1.11. Very light but strong.
It was also suggested to me to go with a GOOD, AND IT WAS EMPHASIZED TO ME GOOD anti-reflective coating which I did. I also included the "Transitions" photocromatic coating to eliminate the need for extra sunglasses. However, Transitions I was told may not turn dark enough within an automobile to be useful as sunglasses since most auto windshields are tinted to block the UV rays that trigger the Transitions.
I did all this in a no line bifocal which was a compromise in itself since one focal plane for shooting might be a better bet, but then again you're buying two pairs of glasses. Same thing goes for having your prescription ground to be off center axis for looking through the scope. You'd need to go with a shooting specific pair of glasses, and another pair for your everyday life. Can get expensive real fast if you're not careful.
As it was told to me, as far as eyeglasses are concerned "Everything in optics is a trade-off...there is NO perfect answer".
Pick a good licensed Optician that is familiar with ALL the options available to you, do not deal with a "frame stylist" unless being trendy or pretty is your only goal. Another quote, "Good Opticians, like good Gunsmiths are not cheap in the short run, but always cheaper long term".
Remember, you only have one pair of eyes, so protecting them must be the first priority,remember the trade offs), otherwise you are playing "Russian Roulette" every time you pull that trigger.

Danny
 
Good post. I also have to turn the eyepiece all the way to the right on any scope I shoot through.

Its interesting you mention having eyeglasses ground off axis for scopes. I have thought about that before when shooting with scopes and peep sights in archery, Im actually looking trough the very left side of my right lense which isnt as clear as the center of the lense.

I guess it doenst do alot of good to spend $1500-$2000 on an excellent scope if your looking through bad or old glasses huh.

Thanks for bringing it up, im looking into it now.
 

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