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Expander mandrel sizes for .308 Win

G'day guys,

I have decided to buy a 21st Century Expander die. I'm a little confused about what size mandrel to buy. I run Lapua brass (always) with Nosler 168gr Custom Competition projectiles. I don't want to buy a complete mandrel set but I am looking for let's say 3 mandrels that should cover my reloading needs. I hope I have provided enough information.
Looking forward to hearing from you.

Regards
"S"
 
G'day guys,

I have decided to buy a 21st Century Expander die. I'm a little confused about what size mandrel to buy. I run Lapua brass (always) with Nosler 168gr Custom Competition projectiles. I don't want to buy a complete mandrel set but I am looking for let's say 3 mandrels that should cover my reloading needs. I hope I have provided enough information.
Looking forward to hearing from you.

Regards
"S"
Limiting yourself to 3 mandrels, I'd say go with enough range to be able to find a good neck tension . . . like .307, .306 and .305 (assuming you're not turning your necks and the neck thicknesses are ~.015 -.0155").
 
What steps or procedures do you envision using these mandrels for, specifically?

I ask this because you might want different sizes for different steps in terms of brass preparation.
For example, I also use the 21st Century mandrels and would suggest these three as a set that can be used to cover a few different applications:

1) as a final neck-sizing step to generate .002" neck tension - 0.3065"
2) neck turning - 0.3060"
3) removing "flat spots" in necks (such as can be caused by a strong ejector spring) - 0.3100" - 0.3110"

If you're solely looking to size necks at different neck tension (interference fit), then a mandrel that is .0015" under bullet diameter will yield approximately .002" neck tension, .002" under bullet diameter will yield approximately .0025" neck tension, .0025" under bullet diameter will yield approximately .003" neck tension, and so forth. You will generally obtain about .0005" more neck tension than the amount the mandrel's diameter is below bullet diameter due to spring back (contraction) of the brass as the mandrel is withdrawn. So you could easily select a few different mandrel diameters based on the range of neck tension you might wish to try. I generally use .002" neck tension and nothing else, and so the 0.3065" mandrel pretty much covers that for me.

Just remember that you want to use a bushing die first with a slightly smaller (~ .001" to .002" smaller) bushing than you might choose if it were to be the sole neck-sizing step. That way, the mandrel will actually do some work when opening up the necks. If the mandrel is too close in diameter to the neck ID after the bushing die step, it does not seem to do as consistent a job in setting neck tension. If you were solely interested in using mandrels to set neck tension, I might suggest buying a set of something like 0.3070" (~.0015" neck tension), 0.3065" ( ~.002" neck tension), 0.3060" (~.0025" neck tension), and 0.3055" (~.003" neck tension). If this is your goal, just remember that you may also wish to purchase some additional smaller bushings, if you don't already have them. As I mentioned above, you likely want to use a slightly smaller bushing when the final neck tension will be set using a mandrel. However, you don't want or need to grossly over-work the necks by using too small a bushing, so having a few different sizes might be a good idea if the primary purpose for the mandrels will be to generate various neck tension settings. The other thing to remember is that you don't have to purchase a "complete" set all at once, but can add a mandrel here and there as some new use crops up. The 21st Century mandrels aren't so expensive that it is too painfull to add a new one here and there.
 
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What they said.
I run a .365 mandrel after sizeing with .335 bushing, on Lapua brass typically 14 thou neck wall I believe.
 
That way, the mandrel will actually do some work when opening up the necks. If the mandrel is too close in diameter to the neck ID after the bushing die step, it does not seem to do as consistent a job in setting neck tension.
Excellent advice! The mistake I made when starting with mandrels was not decreasing the neck enough to allow the mandrel to actually work.
 
G'day guys,

I have decided to buy a 21st Century Expander die. I'm a little confused about what size mandrel to buy. I run Lapua brass (always) with Nosler 168gr Custom Competition projectiles. I don't want to buy a complete mandrel set but I am looking for let's say 3 mandrels that should cover my reloading needs. I hope I have provided enough information.
Looking forward to hearing from you.

Regards
"S"
Sounds like a plan.... At least it gives me somewhere to start.
Thanks very much.
 
Thanks to all of you for your comments. Some are a little deeper into the neck tension subject than I honestly understand but I'm learning. I find much of the reloading process to be very much a personal thing, many conflicting ideas on what makes the best hand-load. So I will continue to try different things until I find what exactly works best for me and my type of shooting.

Once again thanks for your comments.

"S"
 

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