i have just started shooting TR but I keep getting elevation problems .... some high some low ... just wondering what I could do to fix this . My gun is shooting good I've had my scope on it and no elevation problems what so ever so it's all me .... anyone out there might be able to help ?
Elevation problems with Palma rifle
- Thread starter Mark C
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Fast14riot
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Sling supported?
Yes
I have shot f class with this rifle shot really good scores I have shot 50..8 so good trigger release but I just can't seem to get away without putting a couple high or low in a 10 shot group ... I think my rear sight is to low I'm always kinda struggling with that ... do u think that could be my heads not always in the same place ?
Fast14riot
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Are the fliers happening in the beginning of the string, or the end, or just random?
Fast14riot
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I'd try moving your hand stop back a little bit. Typically vertical is from the front hand moving.
Fast14riot
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Another option might be a lens cap with a small hole on your ocular lens. Maybe 3/16" diameter. This will help keep your head aligned. Are you shooting in mirage? A light boil that lets off can cause high or low shots as well.
Not to mention making sure your sling arm is RELAXED from shoulder to finger tips. Muscling the rifle into position with your sling arm leads to more vertical. If your head feels low, raise your front sight and the rear an equal amount.
You did not mention your experience level with a sling. Find your natural position by getting into position (can do this at home with a dot on a wall), aim at your dot. Close your eyes and completely relax your body. Open your aiming eye and look at where your aim has shifted. Side to side is corrected by moving your entire body until your are centered. Vertical is corrected by:
Adjusting your butt plate (should be in the pocket inside your shoulder joint and just below your collar bone). Raise or lower as needed.
Adjusting your hand stop
Adjusting your sling tension (just enough tension to hold in place w/o pain)
Adjust your cheek piece so that you can easily see both sights while your head and neck are relaxed.
Distance to your rear sight should be about two fingers from iris to your glasses. Adjust your length of pull and/or your rear sight position.
You may benefit from one of several books or videos on the subject. Champion's Choice and Creedmoor Sports have several. I like Nancy Tompkins from her web site.
Kudos for shooting sling! It's a hard habit to break once you find your position and become one with your rifle.
You did not mention your experience level with a sling. Find your natural position by getting into position (can do this at home with a dot on a wall), aim at your dot. Close your eyes and completely relax your body. Open your aiming eye and look at where your aim has shifted. Side to side is corrected by moving your entire body until your are centered. Vertical is corrected by:
Adjusting your butt plate (should be in the pocket inside your shoulder joint and just below your collar bone). Raise or lower as needed.
Adjusting your hand stop
Adjusting your sling tension (just enough tension to hold in place w/o pain)
Adjust your cheek piece so that you can easily see both sights while your head and neck are relaxed.
Distance to your rear sight should be about two fingers from iris to your glasses. Adjust your length of pull and/or your rear sight position.
You may benefit from one of several books or videos on the subject. Champion's Choice and Creedmoor Sports have several. I like Nancy Tompkins from her web site.
Kudos for shooting sling! It's a hard habit to break once you find your position and become one with your rifle.
thank you for all the fine advise I'm new to the sling so I'll do all of what you have mentioned
Thank you I'll try all of these things ...
PRECISIONWELDING01
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Could also be your pulse especially when it is hot out
Fast14riot
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Being new to sling, it could be as simple as not putting the stock in the same spot on your shoulder each shot. Move everything on the mat very close, spotting scope should be able to be viewed from your left eye without moving your head. Trigger hand should be relaxed and not supporting the rifle too.
Dry fire practice in full gear often.
Dry fire practice in full gear often.
Hengehold
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I would love to help you out but it is VERY difficult to diagnose a position problem without watching you shoot.
In general, a lot of elevation error is experienced because of inconsistent but plate placement in the shoulder. Having the appropriate amount of sling tension and appropriate amount of pressure between the butt plate and your shoulder (buttplate should not fit loosely in your shoulder) are also significant component of a solid position.
The last symptom that you may consider is having inconsistent sight picture or head placement on the cheek piece.
I have read many books on our sport of sling shooting and I think that "ways of the rifle" is by far the most technical and comprehensive for position shooting that I have read.
Getting out to a match and shooting with other sling shooters would be very helpful for you because the other shooters can watch you shoot and make a more accurate evaluation of your position.
Best of luck.
-Trevor
hey thanks Trevor I appreciate that !
Thanks for you advise I'm trying to fit the gun better and I'm going to shoot tomorrow I'll let you all know how it went ... thanks again
Well I shot this morning and I did a few changes ... I did open the iris but I've noticed my butt plate could have been doing a lot of it as well ....I shot at 300 yards and I got 2 shots out in the 9 ring one high one low out of 15 shots 7 v bulls the rest in the 10 ring so getting better but I've notived a couple of times butt wasn't in the same place so I've let go and I had a couple of fliers but no camera so I can't swear they were the ones out ...getting my camera shortly so then I can do more testing and see what's going on . Thanks everyone for your help !
OK you had two 9-ring fliers out of 15 shots fired, with the rest being 10s or better (and half of those being Vs/Xs, which is about the right proportion).
When you shot, did all fifteen shots fired look good to you, sight-picture wise?
When you shot, did all fifteen shots fired look good to you, sight-picture wise?
- If no, then your bad-looking shots are likely the ones that landed outside the 10-ring and the solution is to work on firing more shots that look good - yes this is much easier to say than to do!! Most likely once you figure out how to shoot almost all shots so that they look reasonably good, they'll almost all be in the 10-ring.
- If yes all fifteen shots looked good to you but two landed outside the 10-ring, then things are much more difficult to diagnose, especially if you don't have shot-to-shot feedback.
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