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Electronic targets/ no hit

fastarget

shooting a match, target does not indicate a hit. Is it the target? Are your bullets blowing up before they get there? How is that scored? Who determines what?
 
where i shoot with electronics, it is assumed to be a system error, and the match director will usually direct a substitution shot be taken.
 
I was at a shoot recently and the match director stated the rules require the shooter to shoot the target again, if the system scores the second shot, the first one is recorded as a miss. If the second shot is not recorded, the system is faulty and move the shooter to a new target.
CW
 
It will depend on the target technology and track record. The “open frame” targets, which have no acoustic chamber to to prevent shock wave interference from confusing the processor are notorious for dropping shots. Everyone knows this so you get a refire using the 9-NO / 9-YES rules. One might ask what that rule, which is to deal with shots that go into a single hole, has to do with the etarget dropped shot issue. Well, nothing.

In no refire, no alibi matches we simply fill in the highest shot value in the group for the missing shot, assuming there are no obvious cross fires.
 
SMT and shotmaker targets in this case, first match. Fun, and much less work, but guidelines are needed. How would you dear with a squib, or other issues? It sounds like there are 3 different approaches so far by different match directors.
 
jsthntn247 said:
It’s happened numerous times the last two matches on Hexta targets. 10,x, x, miss, x, 10. Sucks to get a zero when you know you shot an x or ten.
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I haven’t shot on the Hexta targets, but according their claims they don’t have dropped shots. If there is a chance they drop shots too, then the range/MD ought to adopt the “fill in the highest in the group rule” or wonder why attendance is falling off.
 
Mulligan said:
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I think the NRA rules are fairly clear
CW
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In a match today 4 shots were dropped by a Hex target on shooters who were shooting 10s and Xs at 600 yards. (all squadded together on the same target) On all 4 occasions the target registered the shot and could not locate it. I personally had it happen twice. In both cases I followed up with an X. Brad shot X-M-X in his last 3 shots. I'm a HM midrange F-TR shooter. This was a 3/4 MOA wind condition not blowing anyone out of the 9 ring even if you just held center and shot.

Since I started shooting competing in F class in 2011 I have never, ever missed a target at which I was aiming after the completion of sighers. I've cross fired about 3 time (and most of those have been 10s or Xs), I've had 3 occasions where I tapped the trigger when closing the bolt and sent an unaimed round at the targets. One was a 6 at 1000 yards, one was a 5 at 600 yards and the other was a cross fire.

The last match today when I got the unable to resolve location error I cleaned the target otherwise. (200-8x) One more reason never to bother to spend your money to travel to a big match on electronic targets till they get it sorted.

Oh, and if my 308 is blowing up 215s I'm doing something ain't nobody ever seen before.

Last match at 1000yds Brad had a load that was probably transonic at 1000 and coming in at a high angle. He could never get more than 7 out of 20 shots to record. All the other shots we got the message that the impact was recorded by the target but the location could not be resolved. The MD answer to this is that you hit outside of the scoring area. I watched his trace as he fireformed his last 10 shots into the berm. He dropped 10 rounds into a 2 foot area just aiming at a clump of grass.

Hex targets can miss shots.

EDIT: in the interest of full disclosure of today's events. When my first missed shot came up the MD called it a miss. When Brad got one 3 relays later they still hadn't decided that it was the targets were missing shots. When it happened to me in a clean the next match they replaced the misses with our last sighters (both 10s)

My frustration with this is not directed at the range staff or MD. It is that our sport is running headlong into this technology. It is all fine for monthly club matches, but there are issues that need to be resolved and performance that needs to be verified before we move past that point.
 
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Understand what you went through, identical situation here..........no one complained about a shot registering in my instance :)
 
This forum already knows what I think about electronic targets.

I'm sorry about your difficulty. I also hope they get it sorted out.
 
XTR said:
In a match toda

The last match today when I got the unable to resolve location error I cleaned the target otherwise. (200-8x) One more reason never to bother to spend your money to travel to a big match on electronic targets till they get it sorted

Hex targets can miss shots.
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We have the rule, at several ranges, that if the etarget system indicates an error (like a *) on a shot the shooter has the option to refire that shot.
 
fastarget said:
SMT and shotmaker targets in this case, first match. Fun, and much less work, but guidelines are needed. How would you dear with a squib, or other issues? It sounds like there are 3 different approaches so far by different match directors.
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Someone else has posted the official rules but in my experience with shooting on electronic targets (Where I shoot in Australia is plagued with them), in smaller matches, different ranges let you do different things. My home range lets you disregard the missed shot (we have very calm conditions, so misses don't really happen in F class). At other ranges, if a few people have been having misses, then they quickly let you disregard the missed shot, but if you are one of the first to start getting misses, then you get scored a kiss. Other places, you get given a miss no matter what (Unless a lot of people on that target start getting misses, then they have reshot on another target)
 
XTR said:
In a match today 4 shots were dropped by a Hex target on shooters who were shooting 10s and Xs at 600 yards. (all squadded together on the same target) On all 4 occasions the target registered the shot and could not locate it. I personally had it happen twice. In both cases I followed up with an X. Brad shot X-M-X in his last 3 shots. I'm a HM midrange F-TR shooter. This was a 3/4 MOA wind condition not blowing anyone out of the 9 ring even if you just held center and shot.

Since I started shooting competing in F class in 2011 I have never, ever missed a target at which I was aiming after the completion of sighers. I've cross fired about 3 time (and most of those have been 10s or Xs), I've had 3 occasions where I tapped the trigger when closing the bolt and sent an unaimed round at the targets. One was a 6 at 1000 yards, one was a 5 at 600 yards and the other was a cross fire.

The last match today when I got the unable to resolve location error I cleaned the target otherwise. (200-8x) One more reason never to bother to spend your money to travel to a big match on electronic targets till they get it sorted.

Oh, and if my 308 is blowing up 215s I'm doing something ain't nobody ever seen before.

Last match at 1000yds Brad had a load that was probably transonic at 1000 and coming in at a high angle. He could never get more than 7 out of 20 shots to record. All the other shots we got the message that the impact was recorded by the target but the location could not be resolved. The MD answer to this is that you hit outside of the scoring area. I watched his trace as he fireformed his last 10 shots into the berm. He dropped 10 rounds into a 2 foot area just aiming at a clump of grass.

Hex targets can miss shots.

EDIT: in the interest of full disclosure of today's events. When my first missed shot came up the MD called it a miss. When Brad got one 3 relays later they still hadn't decided that it was the targets were missing shots. When it happened to me in a clean the next match they replaced the misses with our last sighters (both 10s)

My frustration with this is not directed at the range staff or MD. It is that our sport is running headlong into this technology. It is all fine for monthly club matches, but there are issues that need to be resolved and performance that needs to be verified before we move past that point.
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What range were you shooting on?
 
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