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Electronic targets at Talladega

Hi guys,

Does anyone know the approximate price point for the Kongsberg electronic target system being installed at the new CMP park at Talladega? We are looking at various systems for our club range. 10 to 15 stations. http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2015/03/soldiers-and-marines-test-talladega-targets/

Thanks,

Steve
 
Steve,
Action Target (in Utah) is the US distributor for the Kongsberg Electronic Target System. Go to
www.actiontarget.com . Their phone number is 877-852-2418. I'm sure they can give you a good idea of how much you'd be looking at. Info only.

Alex
 
http://www.kongsberg-ts.no/en/index.php?pageID=28&newsid=26

As 11/28/2014 CMP is distributer. Left messages with both.

Thanks again Alex.
 
Have you considered Silver Mountain Targets?

http://www.auburnscouts.com/stallingsmachine/smtargets.htm
http://www.electronictargets.biz/
 
Yes, we have had the Silver Mountain targets demonstrated at our range at both 600 and 1000 yards. The product performed well. Their Gen #2 product looks very well designed and reasonable in price. It still is a major investment and the concern that long term support will not always be there.

I was interested in the Kongsberg units, to get some idea of the cost difference. Also that they are fully endorsed by the NRA. I am in the process of getting pricing for the Kongsberg wireless system. I feel we will be getting big time sticker shock when the quote from them comes in.

I also hope to get up to Blakely this spring to try them out. These old bones are not built for hard pit duty.

Thanks to everyone for their comments and suggestions.

Steve
 
$10k per point for Konsberg from what I recall looking into it a a year or two ago. Also factor in ongoing maintenance of the targets....there will be upkeep for the systems. We need some technology breakthroughs to get those prices down.
 
The Silver Mountain gen #2 units are in the $3,500 range, when looking at 10 targets. My budget would be more like $4K/point. The cost can be kept low because even though each unit would have a separate transmitter, you only need one firing line receiver for up to 10 targets. You may need several repeaters on the line, to help broadcast the signals. As for the shooter and scorer, I see each needing their own display. Simple WiFi is all that is required. Software is sent along with the signals. If you supply 2 per target system, add approximately $400 per target. One of my biggest concerns with either system, is maintenance. Who takes responsibility for charging and calibration checks? Big issue for us "me".

Steve
 
Gents I can add some real world experience of both systems. Let me also state upfront that I am the Australian agent for Silver Mountain Targets.

Our Sydney range has about a dozen clubs operating simultaneously and it was decided to adopt the Kongsberg system with a shared server. Two other clubs have their own servers and another has the stand alone Kongsberg target.

In summary over a number of years (4 or more from memory) of usage:
1. Electronic target shooting has major advantages in terms of time efficiency - you get to shoot faster and more
2. Plotting accuracy is generally excellent and there are no challenges or incorrect marking problems - if you operate the system correctly.
3. Range setup and dismantling is far more of an effort due to the size and weight of the target enclosures, need for transport in and out of target sheds etc.
4. The current Kongsberg system has some significant vulnerabilities like shot out microphone and temp sensor cables, power fluctuations and more. The system is vulnerable to a single shot out cable which affects the entire operation of all linked targets - this has been a major problem for us.
5. Regular maintenance of the target enclosure is very time consuming and expensive compared with a conventional frame.
6. Additional paper aiming marks with scoring rings or blinders are needed to manage the aiming mark size for differing distances.
7. The Kongsberg software is very old and not ideally suited to our type of Fullbore shooting. It was designed for ISSF and may work better in the USA, but it has been very disappointing to see the lack of regular software updates.
8. In real life you need an expert group who can diagnose, maintain, operate and repair the system. This requires rigorous range management which is easier at a range facility, but much harder with an informal club running their own system.
9. No integrated scoring software that we can use. There is ISSF control room software which may work for US disciplines.
10. Cost for Kongsberg is high. We paid $11000 per lane without a server, another $10k.

This is not an anti Kongsberg rant, we have had many successful shoots on our system. After the excitement has worn off you have to learn to live with it...

As for Silver Mountain Targets, my comments as follows:
1. I would regard SMT as a truly modern system based on the smart use of proven, cost effective technologies and components that are readily available.
2. Portable, battery powered, wireless, upgradable and simple to operate.
3. Uses simple, light and affordable target frames with replaceable aiming marks.
4. Consistent and accurate plotting accuracy
5. Simple one-time target frame calibration - you can see the hole in the target and match the software plot to the actual shot.
6. Very cost effective upfront with low target maintenance costs thereafter.
7. North American made and supported, used internationally.

More info here: www.electronictargets.biz

I hope this helps.
 
Thank you very much aubrey.

Your detailed outline and comments will be a great help in our final review.

Best of fortune in your business ventures.

Thanks again,

Steve
 

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