Ejectors vs accurcy

[Alex Wheeler]

So this topic has come up 3 times recently over the phone with different people. I dont know if something out there has brought this topic up? Id like to start a discussion about it. My personal experiance is based on my own rifles as well as many customers and friends. So far as shoulder bump, seating depth, powder change, you name it I have not noticed any difference between a dual port (ejector) vs a drop port (no ejector). I also tune all my hunting rifles without an ejector and only install it for hunting season and have seen no change in tune. I welcome everyone's experiences on the topic.

 

[jackieschmidt]

ALEX, I have competition rifles with ejectors, no ejector, and drop port.

I can’t say that the ejector affects accuracy one way or the other. But since they are on Benchrest Rifles, the spring pressure is just enough to barley toss the case clear of the action.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

ALEX, I have competition rifles with ejectors, no ejector, and drop port.

I can’t say that the ejector affects accuracy one way or the other. But since they are on Benchrest Rifles, the spring pressure is just enough to barley toss the case clear of the action.

I agree. But it seems like something out there is bringing this topic up.

 

[SKWERLZ]

Interesting topic that I was always curious about.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

No difference in my experience either. Have worked up loads for very accurate Varmint rifles with ejectors and later removed ejectors so I could pull the fired brass from the bolt face to put back in my ammo boxes while shooting gophers. Didn’t change my loads at all. Have had actions with mechanical ejectors and didn’t see any accuracy advantage whatsoever. Other rifles I have developed loads for I later greatly reduced the power of the ejector spring so it lays brass closer beside the rifle instead of flinging them a long ways with a fast bolt cycle. Again no change in my load accuracy or POI

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I've never seen a difference at all...just in terms of pure accuracy.

 

[257ack]

With a custom BR rifle and perfectly turned necks and precision resizing dies, I think the ability to get the shots off fast in the condition, outweighs any potential advantage. But with a sloppy fit, there is probably an issue

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

With a custom BR rifle and perfectly turned necks and precision resizing dies, I think the ability to get the shots off fast in the condition, outweighs any potential advantage. But with a sloppy fit, there is probably an issue

With a custom BR rifle and perfectly turned necks and precision resizing dies, I think the ability to get the shots off fast in the condition, outweighs any potential advantage. But with a sloppy fit, there is probably an issue

Speed matters. Sometimes slower is better and sometimes faster is. It's nice to have options, though.

 

[Stan Taylor]

I would give an opinion but you know how it is.

 

[Rat Rifle]

Common Stanley, go ahead and say it

 

[JEFFPPC]

So true. An absolute understatement!

 

[Alex Wheeler]

I would give an opinion but you know how it is.
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Stan, not me. I want to hear it. I have been on the other side most of the time.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

As far as “where” this is coming from, I remember reading this about the Kelbly Atlas action on their website back when I bought one. I think some people might see this said by a manufacturer and think that a mechanical ejector with no pressure on the brass will shoot better. Then of course that can roll into thinking no ejector at all will shoot better as well. Not saying this is where it came from but perhaps it was a small part of it.

 

[Fuj]

If anything, I believe a plunger style ejector with spring pressure would be the design to aid in accuracy. A chamber and brass have a conical like shape at the shoulder. Pressure from the rear keeps the brass shoulder tight to the chamber shoulder and since it is conical shaped, it should in theory center the case neck and shoulder in the chamber. But as I said before, I have not noticed any difference with or without a spring ejector so just thinking out loud here

My thinking exactly. Maybe test with a much heavier ejector
spring. Maybe hold that case in place a milli second longer !!

 

[hogpatrol]

My 2¢ (worth less nowadays). Fit of loaded round to chamber can be loose or snug, bullet can be jumping or jammed, thus the ejector pressure could have some or no effect on the position of the round. Is there cause and effect on accuracy? Don't know. (Disclaimer, I have the Kelbly's tacticals and spring ejector style actions. Prefer the Kelbly's for hunting, it's easier for me to open the action and snag the empty and side benefit is to use the Wheeler method for finding the lands, don't need to remove the ejector).

 

[boltfluter]

There are several newer actions out with dual ejector pins. Maybe this is stirring the pot. Just a thought.
Paul

 

[Liven The Dream]

1 1/2 cent reply. I have and still do Shoot NRA Prone Type March.
I have had Barnard Model P with out.
I and now running 4 Rem. 700 SA . one with Factory Bolt and 3 with PTG One Piece Bolts .
All have Single Ejectors .
I can say never noticed any difference , accept I open the bolt slow with them to catch the Brass .

Good Post ,
Don

The nice Guy in the Post above did Flute one of my Bolt !

 

[AlNyhus]

I haven't seen any accuracy differences with a plunger style ejector. In my guns that have them, I do the load work w/o the ejector, then put them back in and tune the spring until the fired case does what I want it to. On guns that I want to pick the case out of the action, I replace the ejector spring with a really light one that just gets the front of the plunger flush with the bolt face.

The combo of a really stiff ejector spring and a lot of clearance between the case and chamber (new brass, for example) could theoretically load the case a bit sideways.....the shoulder diameter/angle would have as much to do with this as the back end diameter. But once the case was f-formed to the chamber...and assuming it wasn't excessively resized...I doubt that even very excessive spring pressure would have much effect.

I'd never say "never" but I've never seen it......

Good topic for discussion. -Al

 

[tom]

I've always shot drop ports in anything accurate enough to test it....never thought about it for accuracy advantage reasons. All we need is for someone with an ejector @Alex Wheeler to simply go test it. I don't have any with ejectors, so I finally get out of one!

It'll be payback for all the dumb shit you got me out here in the cold testing!



My bet is you're going to be hard pressed to see any difference, unlike this testing.

Tom

 

[Loggins J]

I don’t know I have both but I have shot good with both I do like the drop ports the old mauser actions had a notch cut in the bolt the action has a blade that ejected the case they is no spring in the bolt except the firing pin