halfmoanut
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What would you build: Consider Accuracy 1st,User friendly 2nd,Versatility 3rd.
Dasher or BRX-600-1000
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i think that the BRX is supposed to be easier to load for (no false shoulders) and regular 6br dies can be used. as far as accuracy, all the 6BR derivatives perform great on target. in my opinion, and between those 2, i would go with the BRX. out of all the improved versions, i would go with the 6BR-DX.
Anything on a BR case will work at 600 yds. Accuracy of any of the variants is exceptional.
1K - BRX or Dasher. My vote is BRX only because of the cost of the reloading dies. BRX uses std. BR dies and Dasher is a custom die proposition.
Both deliver identical performance (accuracy and velocity).
Bob
1K - BRX or Dasher. My vote is BRX only because of the cost of the reloading dies. BRX uses std. BR dies and Dasher is a custom die proposition.
Both deliver identical performance (accuracy and velocity).
Bob
I know that the dies for the Dasher and BRX are available but they are a custom item from either manufacturer and priced accordingly. Sinclair quoted $130 for a Redding FL "S" die for the Dasher.
The BRX can use std. BR dies and half the cost or less. That was my point, just the cost of dies.
Bob
The BRX can use std. BR dies and half the cost or less. That was my point, just the cost of dies.
Bob
Bob, I misunderstood what you meant. I noticed the only 6 Dasher dies sinclair international has are Wilson now. Back when I bought my 6 Dasher dies from Sinclair, I don't remember paying a fortune, but I bought the S' type FL die and the Forster micrometer seating die, which has turned out to be a good die. Yes the 6br dies are less and readily available, if you already have 6br dies thats even better. They are all good in my book, I mainly went with the Dasher because I found out my gunsmith had came up with it, not to mention all the records and great shooting done at Missoula and various 600 yard ranges. I prefer the looks of the 40 degree shoulder, but it dosn't mean it shoots any better or worse than a 30 degree maybe I'm wrong.
I honestly don't think you can go wrong with either the BRX or Dasher. Both are great for 600 and excellent in good conditions at 1K.
Locally, some of the best scores shot at 600 are with the Dasher or BRX. Each holds a range record here in the mid-west.
Nice thing is that they don't eat much and if the wind is kind, they shoot little groups at 1000 yds.
I sure am happy with mine.
Bob
Locally, some of the best scores shot at 600 are with the Dasher or BRX. Each holds a range record here in the mid-west.
Nice thing is that they don't eat much and if the wind is kind, they shoot little groups at 1000 yds.
I sure am happy with mine.
Bob
I'm new to the sport, so take it with a grain of salt...
There's nothing wrong with sticking to a standard 6BR for 600 or 1000. All the accuracy you're after, and no playin around with fireforming. People keep saying to go with the BRX because you can use standard BR dies. Why not use those BR dies on a standard 6BR case?
I just had a 1K bench gun chambered in 6BR. I was wanting to go with a dasher or BRX, but my smith talked me out of it. He said "time spent shooting will win more matches than fiddling around with wildcats, and all the potential issues associated with them." I can't think of one reason why that wouldn't be true, which is why I listened to him.
Just load it and shoot it!
With that said, I just had a varmint rig chambered in 6mm Dasher. I did that more for fun than anything else. Perhaps once I get the hang of working up the dasher brass I'll re-chamber the 1k gun to a Dasher? Only time will tell!
Walt
There's nothing wrong with sticking to a standard 6BR for 600 or 1000. All the accuracy you're after, and no playin around with fireforming. People keep saying to go with the BRX because you can use standard BR dies. Why not use those BR dies on a standard 6BR case?
I just had a 1K bench gun chambered in 6BR. I was wanting to go with a dasher or BRX, but my smith talked me out of it. He said "time spent shooting will win more matches than fiddling around with wildcats, and all the potential issues associated with them." I can't think of one reason why that wouldn't be true, which is why I listened to him.
Just load it and shoot it!
With that said, I just had a varmint rig chambered in 6mm Dasher. I did that more for fun than anything else. Perhaps once I get the hang of working up the dasher brass I'll re-chamber the 1k gun to a Dasher? Only time will tell!
Walt
Walt,
For someone starting in the MR or LR game, I would agree with the choice of a straight BR case. Easy to find an accurate load and no fireforming of brass.
Let the shooter refine their shooting and loading techniques and squeeze the last bit of performance out of the std. BR.
I was looking for more than the straight BR. I shoot 600 yds regularly and also 1000 yds. For 1K the straight BR can be a challenge in windy conditions. The BRX is better but it is no substitute for a 6.5x 284 when the flags are flying.
The extra velocity of the BRX or Dasher does show up at 1000 yds. There, everything matters.
Bob
For someone starting in the MR or LR game, I would agree with the choice of a straight BR case. Easy to find an accurate load and no fireforming of brass.
Let the shooter refine their shooting and loading techniques and squeeze the last bit of performance out of the std. BR.
I was looking for more than the straight BR. I shoot 600 yds regularly and also 1000 yds. For 1K the straight BR can be a challenge in windy conditions. The BRX is better but it is no substitute for a 6.5x 284 when the flags are flying.
The extra velocity of the BRX or Dasher does show up at 1000 yds. There, everything matters.
Bob
Thanks for the response Bob. That makes me feel I made a good choice in selecting a cartridge. Hopefully by the time I shoot this barrel out I'll have the skills to match the std BR capabilities, and may move up to a dasher or BRX for the next barrel.
Walt
Walt
The extra velocity of the improved 6br certainly doesn't hurt the precision aspect of the game. They group just as well as a standard 6br. The 6br imp keeps right in that node that shoots well with the 105-108 bullets, so why not have the extra horsepower, this sport is all about precision and high performance.
I feel the 6br imp is the optimum case capacity for this class of bullets, because you still have really decent barrel life and your wringing out that last bit of velocity. I lost count on my first dasher barrel, but it was well over 3,000 rounds and still shooting around 2" at 500 meter benchrest which I shoot competitively.
I think the 40 degree improved provides the most stable brass, meaning that it doesn't stretch as much at the 30 degree, I don't have anything to back up that opinion. Though it doesn't matter because I usually lose primer pockets first.
Bob is right about that little bit of velocity making a difference at 1000 yards. I can tell some difference in wind drift/deflection just by shooting two different bullets, one with a lower b.c. than the other at 1000 yards. I shoot F-Class with my 6 dasher out to 1000 yards, I've been outshot by the straight 6br on some relays, but not at 1000 yards. The precision is still there, but your fighting the wind just alittle more than me. Infact I think the 6br improved has more precision than alot of the bigger calibers, but weather conditions have to be optimum to prove it, benchrest records at Missoula have shown what its capable of.
I have a new broughton chambered up and the last barrel set back a whole four inches. I will have a decent platform to compare velocity loss between a 24" and a 28" barrel, it will be interesting to see.
I feel the 6br imp is the optimum case capacity for this class of bullets, because you still have really decent barrel life and your wringing out that last bit of velocity. I lost count on my first dasher barrel, but it was well over 3,000 rounds and still shooting around 2" at 500 meter benchrest which I shoot competitively.
I think the 40 degree improved provides the most stable brass, meaning that it doesn't stretch as much at the 30 degree, I don't have anything to back up that opinion. Though it doesn't matter because I usually lose primer pockets first.
Bob is right about that little bit of velocity making a difference at 1000 yards. I can tell some difference in wind drift/deflection just by shooting two different bullets, one with a lower b.c. than the other at 1000 yards. I shoot F-Class with my 6 dasher out to 1000 yards, I've been outshot by the straight 6br on some relays, but not at 1000 yards. The precision is still there, but your fighting the wind just alittle more than me. Infact I think the 6br improved has more precision than alot of the bigger calibers, but weather conditions have to be optimum to prove it, benchrest records at Missoula have shown what its capable of.
I have a new broughton chambered up and the last barrel set back a whole four inches. I will have a decent platform to compare velocity loss between a 24" and a 28" barrel, it will be interesting to see.
Flybuster,
You are absolutely righ about the accuracy issue at all ranges. The BR case definately has the small group edge on larger cartridges all the way to 1000yds.
That said, you need the low wind conditions to excell. Let those flags start to flutter and the larger bullets and cartridges begin to shine. A larger 6mm case with the 115 gr bullets will hang with just about anybody a 1K.
In a "Trigger Pulling Contest" (low wind), I will take that little BR and the IMP versions.
Bob
You are absolutely righ about the accuracy issue at all ranges. The BR case definately has the small group edge on larger cartridges all the way to 1000yds.
That said, you need the low wind conditions to excell. Let those flags start to flutter and the larger bullets and cartridges begin to shine. A larger 6mm case with the 115 gr bullets will hang with just about anybody a 1K.
In a "Trigger Pulling Contest" (low wind), I will take that little BR and the IMP versions.
Bob
alf
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Bob3700 said:
Speaking in general terms, you may be correct. But in the real world, there's some nasty shooting 300 WSM's, 300 Ackley's, and a couple of 30 and 7mm Cats that blow that theory away at Pella.
Bob3700 said:
Bologny,
While the bigger calibers do have an advantage, they're tougher to shoot fast due to more recoil, torque, and bag upset, which negates the advantage to a lesser degree. If you could see me shoot, you'd see why.
Bob3700 said:
I'll take it everytime.
Regards,
Al
AL,
I'll bet that you are a benchrest shooter with the comment about shooting fast. I understand the theory and practice of "Machine Gunning' your shots to catch a condition. The issue there is you are only shooting five or ten shots and at your pace and off a rest and bags with the target exposed all the time.
In NRA prone with a sling or F-Class, you are at the mercy of the target puller. Even with fast pit service you have 7-10 seconds between target exposures. So you can only shoot as fast as target service allows and there will be wind changes during your 20 shot string. A "Fast" shooter will get their all shots on target in about 8-10 minutes.
I would bet that the majority of prone shooters with a 300 mag cannot put as many rounds down range as accurately as a good 6mm BR can in the same time frame. If they can, they are taking a beating over the course of an 88 shot match. I'll shoot against em any day, especially at Oak Ridge!
Bob
I'll bet that you are a benchrest shooter with the comment about shooting fast. I understand the theory and practice of "Machine Gunning' your shots to catch a condition. The issue there is you are only shooting five or ten shots and at your pace and off a rest and bags with the target exposed all the time.
In NRA prone with a sling or F-Class, you are at the mercy of the target puller. Even with fast pit service you have 7-10 seconds between target exposures. So you can only shoot as fast as target service allows and there will be wind changes during your 20 shot string. A "Fast" shooter will get their all shots on target in about 8-10 minutes.
I would bet that the majority of prone shooters with a 300 mag cannot put as many rounds down range as accurately as a good 6mm BR can in the same time frame. If they can, they are taking a beating over the course of an 88 shot match. I'll shoot against em any day, especially at Oak Ridge!
Bob
alf
Silver $$ Contributor
Bob,
You're right. I am a bench shooter, always have been, always will be, and with my usual tunnel vision, I respond in that vein. Exactly why you answered from your point of view. My comments were valid for BR.
People need to be more specific when saying that they want to shoot 1000 yard, or long range, or even hunt long range. We need a more precise definition of you're wanting to do.
You're right. I am a bench shooter, always have been, always will be, and with my usual tunnel vision, I respond in that vein. Exactly why you answered from your point of view. My comments were valid for BR.
People need to be more specific when saying that they want to shoot 1000 yard, or long range, or even hunt long range. We need a more precise definition of you're wanting to do.
Al,
That is what is so good about this forum, you get a chance to exchange ideas with people from other disciplines and get their perspective.
Don't you think that is is pretty interesting that the 6br was considered somewhat dead in short range BR shooting years ago but now has made quite a comeback in 600 to 1000 yd shooting with BR and NRA type competitions.
Having shot short range benchrest for many years (still have a LV and HV PPC in my safe), I appreciate the technology that crosses over between disciplines. BBL fitting and loading techniques aren't much different between us, just the actual rifle stock and how you sit behind it.
Thanks for your responses to the thread.
Bob
That is what is so good about this forum, you get a chance to exchange ideas with people from other disciplines and get their perspective.
Don't you think that is is pretty interesting that the 6br was considered somewhat dead in short range BR shooting years ago but now has made quite a comeback in 600 to 1000 yd shooting with BR and NRA type competitions.
Having shot short range benchrest for many years (still have a LV and HV PPC in my safe), I appreciate the technology that crosses over between disciplines. BBL fitting and loading techniques aren't much different between us, just the actual rifle stock and how you sit behind it.
Thanks for your responses to the thread.
Bob
alf
Silver $$ Contributor
Bob,
I started shooting BR back in the 80's, and the Rem BR case never did get any traction, due to it's capacity mostly, and some from big greens lack of promotional skills.
I too have a Panda in the safe with several light and heavy barrels, and a 30BR to boot.
I'm also fairly active in Hunter BR also with a full blown Kodiak, Rock, Jewell, McM, etc gun.
My passion lies mostly in the 1K BR game right now, shooting the LG, HG, and stock classes.
You could say I not exactly one dimensional.....
I started shooting BR back in the 80's, and the Rem BR case never did get any traction, due to it's capacity mostly, and some from big greens lack of promotional skills.
I too have a Panda in the safe with several light and heavy barrels, and a 30BR to boot.
I'm also fairly active in Hunter BR also with a full blown Kodiak, Rock, Jewell, McM, etc gun.
My passion lies mostly in the 1K BR game right now, shooting the LG, HG, and stock classes.
You could say I not exactly one dimensional.....
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