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Danzac

kolar55

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I have an almost full bottle of Danzac sitting on the shelf from many years ago. I think I only maybe treated about 500 bullets with it. Does anyone use this stuff anymore? I don't seem to hear a lot about moly coating like years ago either. I've kinda been out of the rifle game for a while so am not fully up to speed on some of this stuff. Thanks Lonnie
 
I use moly and hbn.There are many people that still use moly.The trick is to coat with moly and tumble in fresh plain corncob to polish afterwards.
 
Reed,
I would like to hear of your experience with shooting bullets coated with tungsten disulphide. I have heard that it stays on bullets well, and does not seem to have the buildup in the barrel issues that has plagued some moly users. Also, how do you clean, and how often, and do you put some in a barrel that has been cleaned, before shooting?
Thanks,
Boyd
 
Tungsten Disulfide, WS2, aka Danzac, has found much favor here in the east for pt. blank score matches. It allows one to shoot the entire match without cleaning.....this is a big advantage. It allows a competitor to pre-load and campaign more than one gun at a match. Mostly done with the 30 BR due to it's being easy to tune.
OP....place an ad in the classifieds, it still is in demand.
 
I have previously requested a need for more Danzac but got no replies. It may have been over at the Hide, but got no responses. I go a full season of F-Class shooting w/o cleaning and see no degradation in accuracy. (Small club...250yds on reduced targets...bi-monthly...April to December)

If it were priced right, I would be interested.

Regards,

Scott
 
Less than a minute...
http://www.lowerfriction.com/product-page.php?categoryID=1
(this is what Danzak is. I am not sure of the particle size.)
 
Boyd, I'm a dedicated "t-der" but don't have a lot of empirical data to present. When we started having IBS matches at my range in 2004 some of the guys were using "Danzac" and the concept of putting a high-grade, high-temp coating between the bullets and the barrel made sense to me. In my experience it does nothing to enhance or improve accuracy. It makes barrel cleaning very easy and simple, using just Kroil and J-B's, and in most calibers it increases the round count before cleaning is necessary. I normally shoot an entire score match without cleaning with the 30 BR, though my 6 PPC still wants a bit of cleaning after 25-30 rounds. One of the guys from Maine has over 8,000 documented rounds on a 30 BR barrel with t-d, and still shooting competitively.

I literally have not shot a bullet in any firearm I own, other than a Glock 9mm and CZ .22LR, without t-d coated bullets in years. I even tried it on .38-55 cast bullets with good results!

I don't get into any of the lengthy debates over it as I have no evidence to prove any claims. You can't shoot 4,000 rounds through the same barrel with and without t-d coated bullets so it's not possible to prove the value of t-d. You either believe in it or don't.

I read the info that Norma compiled a few years ago on m-d (moly) and it helped to confirm my trust in the t-d. It's a pain in the butt to apply, can be hazardous to your health if not used carefully (inhaling it isn't a good thing to do) with a good face mask. I coat my bullets in Skippy peanut butter jars half-full of steel BBs and approx. 1/8 tsp. of t-d to 100 bullets in a Lyman vibrator. I have four bottles and these BBs have coated many thousands of bullets. I pour them into a modified colander which traps the bullets and passes the BBs, then slog them off in a bath towel. The result is wonderful "silver bullets".

When I first started, I used a patch impregnated with t-d after cleaning for a while, but no longer do because I don't see any benefit to it. I do not have a borescope but have never seen any build-up of any kind and have never heard a report of t-d build-up. Even in some Savage barrels that were so rough as to pull tufts off a cleaning patch, I have never seen a trace of copper when using t-d and cleaning with Kroil/JBs. I don't own a rifle that has ever had a brush down it's bore -- ever.

I am reluctant to give my cleaning regimen because it is pretty simple. I run a patch thoroughly soaked with Kroil down the bore; dip a bit of J-B's out on my finger and rub it into a patch which I then short-stroke down the bore, followed by a patch with Kroil to clean out the J-B's, two clean patches and then a clean patch with just a single drop of Kroil in the middle. This, of course, is followed by the normal lug-recess cleaning and chamber wipe. I clean and lube the bolt every time I take it out of the action.

My 30 BR has 2,800 rounds through it and still shoots way better than I can shoot it; my 6 PPC had 600 or so non-coated rounds down the tube when I got it and I have put 1,800 coated through it and it will still put five into a "zero" if I get my act together.

I can neither theoretically nor practically find a single detrimental fact to using tungsten-disulphide (Danzac). I get mine at Rose Mill, which can be found online.
 
Reed,
Thank you for the report. I have just highlighted, and printed it. That one I will keep. Has anyone that you know of ever just used the powder and bullets with no shot? I understand that some who coat with moly have has some success using that method.
Boyd
 
Wow, I thought the bullet coating stuff was about dead but it sounds like it is very much alive and well. I may have to dig out my coating jars and retry this on some Berger column bullets for the PPC. Ease of cleaning is a good thing for sure. It's a lot more fun shooting than cleaning.
 
Chuck Kincaid is the one responsible for introducing shooters to WS2. It is he who brought out his "Danzac" process. He sold his kit of WS2 and steel shot for $69.90 beginning in 1996. It was written about in the March 1997 Shooter's News. The article in that issue was writen by Kent Reeve, a long range shooter of note and High Master. Unlike Mo or Moly there is no appreciable buildup of WS2 on the bullets or in the barrel. Chuck Kincaid mentioned a buildup of less than .0001
Chuck's sons were Daniel and Zachary, hence the name Danzac. Kincaid thought he was a buddy of John Gammuto and wrote some articles for Shooter's News. Well, I guess he was. Shooter's news at that time had many articles by many writers, which may be the missing ingredient today.
 
Boyd, I'm not even sure what most guys use for a coating process. I see lots of variations mentioned in this forum. When I began, the steel shot system was the way to go and I've never tried any other. I only run mine for 1.5 to 2 hours in the vibrator, though I know of people who leave them overnight, etc. (Actually, if cleaning some brass with media in the vibratior, I throw a couple jars of bullets on top and coat bullets at the same time.) The only step the steel BBs add is the need to separate and that's only about a 30-sec. operation. I like the BBs and I believe them to be a "gentler" process and that the t-d gets better distribution, but the other procedures also seem to work.
 
I treated some bullets and loaded them in the PPC today. 1 shot for a fouler and then 4-5 shot groups. Only because I had 21 bullets left in that box. Accuracy seemed about the same as before but holy sheep shit did that thing come clean in a hurry, and with very little effort. I don't recall it cleaning that easily back when. But again I never really gave it much of a try before rifle shooting died off for me. Liked what I experienced today so I can see myself coating with this stuff and not getting rid of it just yet.

If memory serves me right would I need to up the powder charge a bit now vs. uncoated bullets? I was having a bit of vertical today-even though I was noticing a little inconsistent recoil. The rifle wasn't riding the bags well. It was kinda damp and overcast. Group width was minimal but vertical was more than I thought I should have had. Width was .070 on one and .115 on the other. Vertical on both was just over .200 on both. The other two groups were with a different powder and were not what I was looking for-both in the low three's.
 
Yes, I always do. Then I step out the back door and shoot them on my range. I'm thinking Santa will be bringing an arbor press and maybe a Wilson seater. I have everything else I need from back in the day when I used to do this with a couple bench guns in .223 and then re-barreled to .222x35 (which I wish I still owned). However this is the first PPC I've owned and I use the Redding press dies for it. Not a full blown benchrest rifle but a lot of fun to play with. XR100, Hart bbl, Jewel trigger pillar bedded into the original stock, with all the work done by Dan Dowling. I know this gun will shoot WAY better than I am able to shoot it at this time. I've had some groups in the mid zero's and a quite a few in the 1's, so I'm thinking it's a keeper. The main problem is time available to shoot. It's too long between sessions to develop good consistent technique. Retirement is still about half a dozen years away, so maybe that will give me more time to do this stuff.
 
I have used moly, t-d and hBN. I think t-d works better than either moly or hBN but hBN isn't as messy.
I started off using the vibratory unit and then migrated to a cheap rock tumbler from Hobby Lobby. The rock tumbler works much better.
 

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