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Correct bullet for 300 blk out

RetiredArmy

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I have just acquired a 10.5 in barreled AR pistol chambered in 300 black out.
It has a 1-8 twist barrel and I am wondering what weight bullet i should be
shooting out of this. I will be shooting it suppressed and do not need a bullet
tumbling or exploding into my suppressor.
Thanks Bill
 
I have just acquired a 10.5 in barreled AR pistol chambered in 300 black out.
It has a 1-8 twist barrel and I am wondering what weight bullet i should be
shooting out of this. I will be shooting it suppressed and do not need a bullet
tumbling or exploding into my suppressor.
Thanks Bill
Are you wanting to run subsonic or super?
 
Define correct.
What’s your use.


Because of bullet design, weight doesn’t mean much for 300 BLK. Sometimes even length can be deceptive. Best comparison is the Lehigh defense 194 ME and 240 SMK. The 194 Lehigh is a little shorter than the 240 SMK, but far less stable in a 1/8 twist. It’s weight distribution and shape that make the difference. The 240 SMK actually does ok in a 1/9. The Lehigh not so much.

Because of the diversity of 30 caliber bullets to choose from. Use will be the limiting factor of choice. But with a pistol gas and an 1-8 twist, there won’t be many limitations.
 
Define correct.
What’s your use.
Right grain bullet for twist rate. Will be used for plinking steel and home defence.
As you said in your post, the Lehigh 194 is less stable in a 1/8 twist. Not looking
for 1/4 in accuracy, just do not want a baffle strike in my suppressor by an unstable
Bullet or one that exploded from being over spun.
 
The Lehigh Max expansion should be perfectly stable in a 1/8, maybe even a 1/9, as far as baffle strikes are concerned You will down range wobble sooner than something like the 240 SMK, but probably farther than you would be shooting. It’s just a good example of why you test without without the suppressor on first.

The Lehigh is fun to pick on because it also fails at high speed, twist. Around 1250 fps in a 1/7, they start opening up in flight.

Other than a few specialty bullets you won’t have any trouble with a 1/8 and stability, or bullets coming apart.nthe cartridge is a bit self protecting. For spinning something apart, hard to do in 1/8 that’s 10” long. It will be hard to get any thing over 2400 fps. That’s a spin rate of 216,000 rpm. That will be a pretty hot load for a 110 grain bullet. As bullet weight goes up, they generally get longer and limit maximum powder charge weight.

Just always confirm, no matter how many people tell you it will be fine. I’ve had bullets the should have been more than stable, numbers in the 2.2 range on calculators. Alloy was too hard and the bullets wouldn’t seal the bore. Had flyers and occasional keyholing. Crank the peak pressure up to about 55- 60,000 where a normal rifle would shoot, and the problem went away. The base of the bullet was being gas cut and there was an uneven push out the muzzle.

Lots of kinks shooting subsonic, a lot of fun and you learn a lot about internal Ballistics, that not to many write about.

If you pick your bullets right, those designed for the purpose, your weight range will be 150-265 grains.

Since velocity will remain a constant, the only way to add impact energy and terminal energy is to add weight, or stop it faster. But if you stop it too fast, you have no penetration. Lots to balance. It’s fun;)

By the way I keep a magazine of the 194 ME’s around
 
dellet,
Thank you for the detailed answer. That puts all my concerns
aside. Time to start loading for it and have a little "quite" fun.
Thanks Bill
 
dellet,
Thank you for the detailed answer. That puts all my concerns
aside. Time to start loading for it and have a little "quite" fun.
Thanks Bill
Keep in mind the faster the powder, the quieter it will be, the cleaner it will run, and less gas you will have in your face. Powders like 1680, CFE BLK tend to be a disappointing experience, if it’s your first suppressor. 296/H110 are easy to work with in a pistol gas system. With the heavier bullets Accurate #9 is an excellent choice. An AR will never be Hollywood quiet, but nail gun quiet is pretty easy.
 
Keep in mind the faster the powder, the quieter it will be, the cleaner it will run, and less gas you will have in your face. Powders like 1680, CFE BLK tend to be a disappointing experience, if it’s your first suppressor. 296/H110 are easy to work with in a pistol gas system. With the heavier bullets Accurate #9 is an excellent choice. An AR will never be Hollywood quiet, but nail gun quiet is pretty easy.
It is my first suppressor and first 300 black out. I have a couple of pounds of H110 on hand so will start there.
Thanks again
Bill
 
Keep in mind the faster the powder, the quieter it will be, the cleaner it will run, and less gas you will have in your face. Powders like 1680, CFE BLK tend to be a disappointing experience, if it’s your first suppressor. 296/H110 are easy to work with in a pistol gas system. With the heavier bullets Accurate #9 is an excellent choice. An AR will never be Hollywood quiet, but nail gun quiet is pretty easy.
@dellet
What would be your preferred powder for subsonic in bolt gun?
 
@dellet
What would be your preferred powder for subsonic in bolt gun?
Depends on bullet weight, but since you don’t have to worry about cycling, powders like Accurate #2, #5, #9 N105 was a favorite but heard it might be discontinued. All of those are extremely quiet.

In a hand fed action the bullet weight makes a difference because of the higher muzzle pressure. If you shoot 100-110 gran subs they start to approach rimfire suppressed loads.
 

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