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Comparing Old Savages to the newer ones

A couple of years ago I shot a savage in 7mm mag and it was one of most recoil producing guns I have ever shot. In fact, I shot it once,I then said to the owner, 'Im done!'. He shot it once, said the same thing.
Now, the current savage rifles a head and shoulders better. My question is in what year did major improvements start with savage products? My brother was looking at a used savage in 22-250. Don't know the model or what year it was made. Should a person try to avoid certain models if they are made before some exact year?
Thanks in advance!
 
There are only so many things a gun mfr. can do to change felt recoil. Gun weight (heavier = less felt recoil), and the recoil pad are the only likely differences. Recoil pads are easily swapped out, though.
 
Also the shape of the stock can add/detract from perceived recoil.

Newer vintage Savage rifles are easier to get parts for.
 
kelbro said:
Also the shape of the stock can add/detract from perceived recoil.

Yep, I have a Beretta O/U that has a high comb and that thing smacks the snot out of you on the skeet field!

I should bring down the comb, but it has a nice finish and I only use it for a field gun now so I hesitate.
 
I picked up a centerfeed long action in 7 rem mag solely for the action, decided to try it before I took it apart and was surprised at how pleasant it was to shoot( both my 18 year old daughters shot it several times as well). It is the sporter barrel hunting version so its light. I also had a memory from 25 years ago of shooting a friends 7 mag and handing it back to him quickly so im not sure if they changed the stock angle or what but i do know the recoil pad is very soft on this one and if memory serves me the one my friend had was like a brick.
 
kelbro said:
Also the shape of the stock can add/detract from perceived recoil.

Yes, but Savage hasn't radically changed the shape of the stocks on most of their rifles in forever and a day. They have changed the recoil pads (which still aren't 100% top of the line). A steel butt plate or sliver of plastic will hurt a lot more than a good Pachmyr or Limbsaver.
 
During the 60's, 70's & 80's, you couldn't give me a Savage. In my book, they were probably the least accurate "across the counter rifle" available, no matter the caliber. Fast forward to the late 90's and into the 2000's, I noted a remarkable improvement in the quality and accuracy of Savage products in general. Bought my first ever Savage in 2005 and have continued to buy them ever since, in several calibers. IMHO, they've out paced all other manufacturers in overall performance and quality since, that even though I detest their accutrigger mechanism which I think is a pile of horse manure. Having said that, I've learned to self adjust as well as thanking some after market trigger manufacturers for coming up with replacement triggers that make a Savage all that much better. Just my thoughts.

Alex
 
I don't have any definitive answer, but the only major change I am aware of in the history of the Mod 10, 110 besides changing the action screw spacings from time to time and the addition of the accu-trigger was the barrel-action interface.
I have a 30-06 that was made in the first year of manufacturer for Mod.110. These rifles had a recess in the barrel for the end of the bolt to recede into so the bolt/chamber area was sort of hooded inside the barrel. I believe this feature was dis-continued in the first couple years of model history.

Also, I think the recoil comes from the cartridge and stock shape, not model or manufacturer of the rifle!
 
The model 110 bolt-action rifle design was changed in the late 1980's. The 30-06 i shot was just average. My buddies 7mm Rem. mag. was very accurate. As for recoil, that only got my attention when shooting a 375 H&H or slug gun. ATK is now the new owner of Savage.
 
Savage (Like all gun makers.) has had good and bad time throughout their years. The first Savage produced in 1958 was called the 110 because that is what they cost. The gun doesn't resemble the newer savages by much, as the first years of production showed the most changes. In around the late 1960's to early 1970 Savage made a bunch of changes to the 110 rifle. The changes was in the bolt head design, and trigger mainly, with some other stuff. The newer rifles made in the early 70' until the mid 80's was some of the best machined rifles made. (Rivaling the new stuff.) In the mid 1980's Savage got into financial troubles (Much like other firearms makers.) and attempted to cheapen things up. These rifles showed some lower grade workmanship. It was the mid 90s when underwent new management and the products was brought up to the level they was before. From the early 1970's to this point there was little change in the design of the rifle. There was some bad ideal changes that was attempted in this time, such as casting receivers, soldering the scope bases on rifles and so on, that produced some undesirable rifles during this time.

With the change over of management, Savage developed some new ideas. This was the time that the new "true" short action guns (2nd gen short action.) started out, and other improvement was made. The new short action has a two digit number designation. It was around 2000 when Savage introduced the accu-trigger fixing the Achilles heal of the Savage 110 design the heavy trigger. They also stopped facing of the back of the receiver, and left the action round. The actions was faced off by hand and all most all was never truly straight, and it was an added step that made no since. There was some other refinements such as slight changes making the sears 1 piece, smaller firing pin, and other little small things. Still there was little major change in the design from the guns that came out in the early 1970s to this point.

Latter on in the mid to late 2000 Savage bought new machining and used them to make the newer actions on. It was around this time Savage introduced the precision target action, and changed the magazine system over from the staggered feed to the center feed system. (3rd gen short action years.)It was due to this change over in magazine formats that caused the action screw spacing change in the short actions only. Savage tried some new ideas, such as streamlining the guns appearance with the smooth barrel nut, bottom bolt release and so forth. Besides these changes the guns are fairly much the same design as the guns from the early 1970 until now. It was a couple of years ago Savage changed management again, and is now owed by ATK, and we will see what the future holds.

The thing is the gun has made little design changes since the early 1970's and most parts will interchange. The accu-trigger guns have a different machining process than that of the other guns, and the triggers should not be swapped. The thing is many had a opinion that Savage was junk, and they changed their opinion when the improvement came about in the accu-trigger years. From my experience, I can say that the Savage made in the early 1970 up to present day, all have the same accuracy potential. Savage has been known for years for their "Out of box accuracy."

So with that said the late 1970's to mid 1980s guns are not as well made, but they problems are still able to be rectified. Just avoid the cast receiver, the actions where the scope bases are soldered on to the actions, and the first generation short actions. 4.552 bolt spacing. (1959-88 also know as the "J " actions, as many of them had a j suffix to the serial number. The 1st gen short actions are fine built but they utilize a different bolt length, and action screw spacing than other 110's, and they can be a pin to get parts for. Hope this helps out.
 
Great stuff guys! Thank you! The knowledge base here is impressive!
Before he buys, i will suggest to him to ask for model number and serial number for reference.
I like the numbers on the new savage light weight hunter. I haven't seen one in person yet. One thing I didn't like on the older savages was the overall feel/balance. On the other hand, a light kimber field ready is a joy to carry and handle. I would much rather have a new ultra light arms, but poor people have poor ways. :)
 
My stepdad had a friend that bought two identical 30/06 rifles at the same time one for him and one for his wife,one had very little recoil and the other one kicked like a mule. My stepdad bought a Savage in 7mm mag. that also kicked like a mule and crumbled the cross hairs in the scope, it was the only gun he ever got rid of . Both stories happened in the seventies I think.
 

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