cleaning 6br

[blaserboy]

i have been cleaning with butches bore shine, hopes b.r.until no sign of copper or carbon.But when i put wire brush through after cleaning with above, patches come out really black, is this carbon or metal?

 

[BigDaddie]

It could very well be coming from your brush if it has been used in the past.

 

[Travelor]

Tell us a little more about your cleaning procedure. Are you using a bronze brush when using Butch's or just using cloth patches?

My method is to use two solvent soaked patches at first, then a Butch's soaked bronze brush with about 4 strokes. I allow the barrel to sit wet for about 5 minutes then patch the barrel dry. I them use two solvent soaked patches again to see if the carbon is out. If they come out with carbon,black) I brush again, etc......

After the carbon is out, I use a plastic slotted tip and run a dripping wet patch through the barrel and let sit for 5 minutes. If no blue, I patch out and use a damp cloth patch with Butch's Gun Oil and put the gun up. If blue is present, I continue with soaked cloth patches until no blue then use the oil.

George

 

[Preacher]

It could be from the bore guide you should be using...
Not sure why you would brush it after cleaning though....

 

[Bob3700]

Blaserboy,

I would be betting that the black is carbon fouling.

It is difficult to remove carbon from a bbl. It will lodge at the juncture of the lands and grooves and be very difficult to remove.

Most success comes with the use of a surficant,carbon remover) that gets under the carbon and loosens it up. I have found that it is best to wet the bore,I use carbon cutter Slip 2000) with a patch or two. Then come back and brush the bore. Let that stand for 10 minutes or so and then patch out. You will be amazed at the carbon that is dislodged from that bore.

It would be advised to perform this regime a couple of times until the dry patches is coming out pretty clean.

If you have a borescope, take a look after the above procedure, that bore should be pretty clean of carbon.

Bob

 

[Forum Boss]

Bob is right about where the carbon builds up. Right at the corners where the lands meet the grooves. I just borescoped my barrel last week. I've been using wet patches,Shooters' Choice) followed by WipeOut, but the carbon is building in those "corners".

In addition to Slip 2000, Carb-Out works very well. Boyd Allen had great success with it used with a thoroughly saturated brush. The Carb-Out makers said no brushing was needed, but Boyd says the brush makes it MUCH more effective.

 

[blaserboy]

thanks guys, was just a bit worried i might be doing harm. it is a bronze brush and it was used after many passes with patches soaked in butches & hoppes bench rest.,just to see if patches only, were doing the job)

 

[DukeDuke]

The Warthog 1134 sounds like something else! Is it safe in the barrel, does it work better than Montana X-treme?

 

[Preacher]

it seems that the phone number listed is not in service

 

[DukeDuke]

Thank you!!!

 

[CatShooter]

i have been cleaning with butches bore shine, hopes b.r.until no sign of copper or carbon.But when i put wire brush through after cleaning with above, patches come out really black, is this carbon or metal?

The "black" is actually bronze from the brush.

I grew up with the "Brush until clean" philosophy, and discovered that you can never get a "brushed" barrel clean - that is, get it to the point that you brush it and the next patch comes out white.

So I would just brush for a while, and accept that it was "kinda clean", and give up.

A while back, I had the need to get a barrel squeekie clean down to the steel for a project, so I spent several days cleaning it, including plugging the chamber and soaking the barrel in 23% ammonia solution for 48 hours... and the same ol' same ol'... I got it to the point that the patches came out pure white, and then I ran a brush through it, and the next patch came out looking black :, :, :,

The next morning, I was looking at the project and noticed that the "black" brushes lying on the bench had turned very dark green over night from the copper solvent.

I knew that was not possible, because I had plugged the barrels and let them soak with 23% Ammonia,I DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS FOR HEALTH REASONS!!)... so there could not be any bullet fouling left in the barrel.

So the light came on - the bronze brush was leaving a coat of bronze on the barrel, just like chalk on a black board. Then the patch,with copper solvent) removes the bronze, and it looks like the barrel is still dirty.

To test this "theory" I got a barrel to the point that it was "clean" and patches were coming out white... then I scrubbed it with a stainless brush,not recommended on a regular basis)... and the next patches came out pure white, so there was no "carbon".
Then I brushed it with a Bronze brush, and the next patch came out black, and overnight turned dark green.

Now, I use a bronze brush only for the first couple of passes of brushing, and then I use patches and nylon brushes to finish the cleaning - they are clean, and patches come out white,I could put them back in the box).


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[blaserboy]

thanks catshooter all makes sense now