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Charge weight and seating depth on new brass

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Good afternoon,
I purchased a new lot of 6.5 creedmoor lapua brass recently. I currently have a wonderful load for my 6.5 creedmoor. If I switch to new brass, once fire formed, how much would my powder charge and seat depth change? Would I have to redo load development, or changes would be minimum with a bit of tweaking? Thank you.
 
I had a similar scenario. I had to change primers and bullets too.

tl;dr: I have to use a lighter load with decent neck tension for the virgin brass...but not too light a powder charge or neck tension where it doesn't size the brass to my chamber

 
Good afternoon,
I purchased a new lot of 6.5 creedmoor lapua brass recently. I currently have a wonderful load for my 6.5 creedmoor. If I switch to new brass, once fire formed, how much would my powder charge and seat depth change? Would I have to redo load development, or changes would be minimum with a bit of tweaking? Thank you.

It's depends on how much different the volume of the new brass is after being fired compared to your old. I'd measure the volume of 10 or 12 of the new cases and see how they might differ from 10 or 12 of your old brass. If there's a significant difference, then you most likely will have to tweak your load a little, either up or down depending on which way the volume difference for the new brass might go.
 
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Thank you for the response. Makes a lot of sense. How about seating depth?

Seating depth affects the available volume in the case. So, adjusting the seating depth would be one way to "tweak" your load if you find a significant case volume difference. Or, you can adjust the amount of powder. You probably wouldn't have to do both and just do one or the other to make an adjustment for any difference in case volume.
 
A good argument can be made for re-working a load any time a component is changed. The only way you can know whether the resultant change of a given load after doing so will be small or large in your setup is through experience. After a component has been changed, it is not uncommon that when the previous (original) velocity is restored, the load will shoot much like it did before, including optimal seating depth. However, that is not a guarantee...one can only test to determine whether restoring the original velocity works or not. Without that, there is no way to know with any certainty.

For some of the variables we optimize during the reloading process, the whole purpose for going through the process is to identify the optimal "window". In order to identify an optimal "window", you have to define BOTH edges of the window. That is the only way you can be 100% certain that you're loading to the middle of the window, thereby enjoying the benefit of maximal resistance to the load changing and going out of tune under different conditions. The potential problem with only doing minor tweaks after changing a major component such as brass is that you might find a load that appears to shoot pretty well, but you really have no idea where the load falls in terms of the optimal window because the abbreviated testing process may not be enough to define both boundaries of an optimal window. If the tweaked load is right at the edge of the optimal window, it could easily go out of tune later if the conditions change even by a fairly small amount. However, re-doing a full testing procedure consumes more time, reloading components, and barrel life, and is therefore a lot more painful than a minor "best guess" tweak, but offers more certainty in return.

I have had loads with a new Lot # of brass or bullets tune in at exactly the same spot in terms of both charge weight and seating depth as the previous load. I've also had them differ markedly, especially if the internal volume of the new brass or external dimensions of the new bullets were quite different. Even with that information in hand (i.e. new internal case volume, new bullet dimensions, etc.), the best you're likely come up with is an educated guess, which will then have to be tested. So in terms of the amount of change that might be necessary, the honest answer is, "as much as it takes". You might get lucky and only need one tenth grain or two powder adjustment, or a few thousandths seating depth adjustment to bring the load back in in the new brass, but again, no one can tell you that with absolute certainty. My advice is to do as much testing as you can stand (or afford) after changing components. In the long run, you will usually be happy that you did.
 
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I appreciate the responses. I will definitely take all the information into account when I get out to the range.
 
Biggest difference I've seen is if I have to change bullet brand even for the same weight which I don't do unless there is a supply problem which I try my best to avoid.

However, it just make sense to retest a load when you make any component change. I start at the previous load's powder charge (assuming you're using the same powder) to establish a base line. If I don't get the desired result, I begin varying the powder charge.

If I'm making a powder change, I start with the low end of published data and work up. Again I try to avoid making a powder change.

The last item I change, is the distance from the lands. Some adjustment might be necessary if I change bullet brands because of different ogives but I maintain a one bullet diameter inside the neck minimum, at least .010" off the lands, and the cartridge must fit the magazine.

I don't need to do much if any load development anymore since I've been shooting the same rifles / load combinations for years and these all meet or exceed my requirements. But in this day of component shortages it always wise to have an alternate load in case you are required to change a component. For example, my 223 Rem bolt varmint rifles perform exceptionally well with Nosler 50 and 55 grain bullets but I have alternate loads for Hornady Vmax 50 and 55's.
 

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