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Changes to the F-Class Nationals format...

Looking at this from purely an outside point of view.

F-Class in America has been the bastard step child to the historical longrange prone shooters and longrange benchrest shooters. Most of the Longrange ranges formerly were longrange prone, palma and longrange benchrest ranges before F-Class was ever thought of.

F-Class started in Canada for the "older shooter who now had difficulty using iron sights and new shooters who wanted to get their feet wet into long range shooting on a limited budget. F-Class has turned into "belly benchrest and and an equipment race.

Shooting is a sport so I will classify shooters as being athletes. We all know athletes have strong opinions and to much testosterone.

F-Class in America has only been luke warmly accepted by the NRA who's management has strong ties to previously conventional shooting. The NRA being the US shooting sanctioning body has only minimally gotten envolved into the development and management of F-Class shooting.

F-Class in America has two subdivisions F-Open and FTR. Each has its place. Over the last years both the F-open and FTR divisions have worked largely independent of each other. And quite unfortunately there is an evident antimosity between the two groups.

We all must go back to the fundamentals, "target shooting is a priveledge not a right". The ones who work and organize generally get to make the rules. The hosting clubs also have a say in what format they will run their matches.

For the last few years countries have fielded both F-Open and FTR teams. The matches have been run simultaniously without conflict.

We are facing changes in 2012. We all know that change does happen. We also know that not everyone is going to be happy with change.

There are post on this subject on most of the shooting forums now. Some post have been positive and some negative. I would like to say what I have generally seen is not good for the sport of shooting.

I shoot both F-Open and FTR and see both sides to the issue.

I wish both the F-Open and FTR teams in conjunction with an elected group from each discipline would form a Rules Committee to democratically determine changes in the rules and formats to the shooting matches.

Clearly there is friction between the shooting disciplines and this is not good. We need to be working together.

Things to be considered are "tradition and a international standard", improvements in the quality of the sport, and keeping the sport open to all who wish to compete, having ranges available throughout the country so the maximum number of people can compete.

I compare F-Class shooting to IMSA car racing F-Open is like the GTP cars, and FTR is more like the GTU cars. But they all race on the same track under different rules.

Again, I feel there needs to be a governing body overseeing "F-Class" made up of all the different disciplines and competitor levels, with an equal voice or there will always be someone unhappy.

Just some observations, hopefully F-Class can improve for all and provide a satisfying forum for many different levels of shooters.
Nat Lambeth
 
Rustystud said:
F-Class in America has two subdivisions F-Open and FTR. Each has its place. Over the last years both the F-open and FTR divisions have worked largely independent of each other. And quite unfortunately there is an evident antimosity between the two groups.

I wish both the F-Open and FTR teams in conjunction with an elected group from each discipline would form a Rules Committee to democratically determine changes in the rules and formats to the shooting matches.

Nat,
As far as the animosity between FTR and Open, I'm not sure at what level you're talking about. If it's the competitor level, I have to completely disagree. In fact, after a day of shooting it is not unusual to see a large number of Open and FTR shooters together around a campfire toasting marshmallows and drinking iced tea.

I wholeheartedly agree with your wish to form a Rules Committee to democratically determine changes in the rules and formats.

David
 
From a newbies point of view that his whole family took on the challenge of F open. We have been met with open arms by every type of shooter we have encountered for the most part. In fact one shooter that has given us lots of advice and even met us at the range to help is a lets see, i think they call him a SLING shooter. lol. As far as the rules go i am not versed enough to chime in on that yet. I just want to see the sport grow as it is a great sport .
 
Hmmmmmm! Iced tea eh! Here in the UK we have only hot drinks on the firing point as it rarely gets above 60f. Plus in our F class league shoots there is no animosity between Open and FTR shooters, just good friends having a shoot together and a few beers afterwards. And I am sure that it is the same no matter which country you live in. If it ain't fun then why bother?
Good shooting
 
I agree with David, I see very little conflict between the FTR, FO and Palma. Most matches I attend have cross conversations anywhere there is time to talk. Obviously the guys may hang out, or travel together based on there discipline but that is natural to the point that they exchange specifics of their individual equipment/technical needs. Thats not to say there is never a wee bit of conflict at a match, usually this is not by discipline but a more general issue due to procedure, saftey, or timing.

I do also agree that the governing body does need to start a concerted effort to inform and regulate effectively.
 
Here at st louis we are working as a team with the shooting as priority instead of politics. A club must have leaders that see the advantages of teamwork rather than individual power struggles that defeat the cause and weaken the club . If u are having a problem then write or speak out to the leaders and clear the air, and find a way bring harmony to your club for the sake of its future.
 
DBailey said:
As far as the animosity between FTR and Open, I'm not sure at what level you're talking about. If it's the competitor level, I have to completely disagree. In fact, after a day of shooting it is not unusual to see a large number of Open and FTR shooters together around a campfire...
David

I couldn't agree more. Not sure where the animosity between Open and T/R is, but it certainly is not at the matches I have attended, or at the club where I shoot. Animosity between sling and F, that is a bit of a different story, but seems to be easing a bit.

The recent bantering on the boards has nothing to do with Open v. TR, but much more with the seemingly odd rule change to come down after the 2011 Nats.
 
I would like to make a clarification to my first post. I don't see conflicts between the F-Class shooters on the line or at the matches, I see conflicts between the different disciplines. Personalities and politics should be set aside and only changes that benefit the sport. There has been resentment from disciplines outside of F-Class and the old guard is seeing such a rise in F-Class numbers the matches are changing within themself. Sadly all the shooters of the other disciplines are turning white or loosing their hair. Replacement numbers are remaining steady in XC and continually rising in F-Class.
Nat Lambeth
 
U are not the first or last to have conflict between disciplines , i broke the ice by sharing our equipment and now have single objective with strong partner and we are on roll with sunny days ahead . A club must see this or be a weak one wasting time with petty nonsense .
 
scaxeman said:
Zilla said:
Iced tea.

That made me lol.


Yeah... +1 there! LOL

Darrell

What!?... That wasn't Iced Tea Y'all were drinking??? LOL

Nat,
I apologize. I realize now that you were talking about the divisions at the national level rather than individual competitors.

David
 

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