CFE 223 vs CFE 223 Black

[sstkmkrr]

What's the difference between these two powders (cfe 223 vs cfe 223 black) for reloading! .223 and 6 BR.

Thanks for your time!

Steve M.
stkmkr

 

[Rocketvapor]

Need to refer to loading manuals but very little crossover between the two powders.
For 222 REM 50gr

Hodgdon

CFE 223

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0.224"

2.130"

24.1

2,970

35,200 PSI

26.2

3,268

47,600 PSI

Hodgdon

CFE BLK

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0.224"

2.130"

15.8

2,744

41,500 PSI

18.7

3,026

49,400 PSI

Not what you asked for but look at the difference in charges. Not anywhere near the same powder.
Compare to 223, 50 gr

Hodgdon

CFE 223

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0.224"

2.210"

27.0

3,241

41,500 PSI

28.5

3,505

53,600 PSI

 

[6MMsteve]

CFE black is for the ultra light bullets in 223 and Mainly the 300 blackout it's a fast burning powder be careful mainly for str walled cases or blackouts rank is at 70 of 163 slow to fast

 

[6MMsteve]

use your burn rate color chart CFE Black is down there at the upper end of fast burning powders, be careful it has about 40 powders between it and CFE223 so that says to me it's fast

 

[6MMsteve]

 

[Rocketvapor]

I tried some of the CFE BLK in a 7.62X39 18" AR. 123gr
Got lots of speed. Not up to the book speed, but fast. Need more work

 

[Kalitrazescapee]

I just got a couple of photos of an ar223 ..first sighter in a high-power match. Young person loaded cfe black instead of 223 and blew up his gun...8 gr over max, and the plastic mag was like a grenade...nobody hurt...but it pays to watch names of powders.... I'll stay with blc2

 

[Rocketvapor]

Watch the labels and load data, CFE Pistol, CFE223, and CFE BLK.

 

[drop_point]

What's the difference between these two powders (cfe 223 vs cfe 223 black) for reloading! .223 and 6 BR.

Thanks for your time!

Steve M.
stkmkr

There is no such thing as "CFE 223 BLACK".

It's simply "CFE BLK" and was designed for the .300 Blackout. It is similar to H110 magnum pistol powder.

 

[Kalitrazescapee]

Thought I had a coma in there to separate the two...yes I know that black and 223 are different,and probably most on here do...new handloaders may not be aware,

 

[Oso]

Although CFE Black was designed for the 300BO, it is a second choice powder with lower velocity then several other popular powders. For instance H110/HP38 is a better performing powder with both supersonic loads and subsonic loads and seems to be cleaner.

That said, CFE Black is the preferred powder for 300HAM'R. It should be noted that there can be noticeable difference in energy from one lot # to the next. When starting with a new lot # of CFE Black you might want to dial back your load recipe for safety and reconfirm velocities and pressure signs.