Cast or Forged Receivers ?

[Changeling]

I read a post here about the trouble a guy is having with his Tikka T3, was looking to maybe buy one!

Can anyone tell me if Tikka actions are cast or forged ?

 

[Eddie Harren]

I read a post here about the trouble a guy is having with his Tikka T3, was looking to maybe buy one!

Can anyone tell me if Tikka actions are cast or forged ?

What difference would it make?

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Tikkas are top shelf- dont hesitate.

 

[hogpatrol]

What difference would it make?

Castings can have inclusions, laminations, or debris in them. No way to know unless they are x-rayed, ultrasound, magnaflux checked or if the defect is visible. When it comes to a receiver, I'd prefer forged but everyone has their comfort zone.

 

[shortgrass]

Castings can have inclusions, laminations, or debris in them. No way to know unless they are x-rayed, ultrasound, magnaflux checked or if the defect is visible. When it comes to a receiver, I'd prefer forged but everyone has their comfort zone.

I've seen forgings come through the shop with inclusions, too. Some not visable until you cut into them. So? Either, are viable. None are used as cast or as forged. Both are machined after being cast or forged. Ruger has been using the investment process to produce receiver blanks for years. Even parts made of bar stock, for critical components used in any industry, are inspected/scrutinized carefully before they are accepted into the production cycle.

 

[Hopkins]

Chances are and marketing considered, if a maker uses a forged receiver it will be featured information about the receiver. Ruger used to champion their forgings but are more quiet about it now.

 

[Eddie Harren]

Chances are and marketing considered, if a maker uses a forged receiver it will be featured information about the receiver. Ruger used to champion their forgings but are more quiet about it now.

Why would they be "more quiet about it now"? Rugers have a well deserved reputation for strength.

 

[shortgrass]

Chances are and marketing considered, if a maker uses a forged receiver it will be featured information about the receiver. Ruger used to champion their forgings but are more quiet about it now.

If Ruger used forgings, I am unaware of it. Bill Ruger started "Pine Tree Casting" as a side company to investment cast receiver blanks for the model 77. MRC has their receiver blanks investment cast there, too. All seem to be entirely impressed with technology, there's some,,, investment casting. It's not quit like pouring molten metal from a ladle into a sand cast mold.

 

[Hopkins]

It may be overkill in a receiver to insist on a forged part but the perception is that forged is superior. That was my reference to marketing. Cast parts in 1911'a are widely disdained by a sizable group of the opinionated. I haven't come across any reference I can recall of cast centerfire rifle barrels being superior. I believe Ruger uses hammer forged barrels. I realize they are hammer forging the rifling in to the barrel at the same time but they are also hammer forging the barrel.

 

[shortgrass]

Cast parts in 1911'a are widely disdained by a sizable group of the opinionated..

That's because those parts aren't investment cast. They may not even be MIM (metal injection molded). There are 'cheap' , old fashioned castings and there are some made with some very hi-tech process that are every bit as good as forged or bar stock. The reason forging and castings are used is to reduce the machining time of the 'part'. You'd not be saving any time by 'casting' a barrel. Now, If I remember correctly, this thread had no mention of hammer forging barrels until you brought it up,,,, it was about cast/ forged receivers. And, as a side note, I haven' t much use for hammer forged barrels, I have enough customer supplied tomatoe stakes.

 

[Hopkins]

Educate me and name a highly regarded custom action that is cast.

 

[JRS]

Farley used to make them. Not certain he still does.

 

[shortgrass]

Educate me and name a highly regarded custom action that is cast.

Name one that's forged! Most are made of bar stock. Why? Because they are produced in low volume. Any investment casting or forging is high volume because of the cost of either making the molds or the forging dies. Besides, wasn't the opening post directed toward the Tikka actions? You keep trying to lead this thread in another direction.

 

[Eddie Harren]

Educate me and name a highly regarded custom action that is cast.

The very fine early Shilen DGA actions were cast.

 

[Hopkins]

The original post questioned if a Tikka T3 was cast or forged. I stated that if an action was forged it is generally promoted as such and if it is cast, it is not mentioned.

 

[Hopkins]

I don't doubt that a fine custom action can be cast. I think it's very hard to promote that as being cast it is equal or superior to an action machined from stock.

 

[Eddie Harren]

I don't doubt that a fine custom action can be cast. I think it's very hard to promote that as being cast it is equal or superior to an action machined from stock.

You have a lot to learn.

 

[JRS]

The T3 actions are very strong castings. Something to keep in mind is the process used to make bar stock, or a billet. It starts out as a continuous casting.

 

[Hopkins]

Yes, and extruded under extreme heat and pressure.

 

[JRS]

http/www.sfsa.org/sfsa/pubs/cvf/ecs.php