Can I legal ship a Weaver T-36 scope to Australia

[falconpilot]

Have an ozzie wanting to buy a T-36 that I have listed, and I want to help him out, but wanted to be sure I was breaking any export laws. From what I've read, the scope does not fall under ITAR, but I wanted to get thoughts before I attempt this.

Thanks

 

[stool]

probably , but it is going to be a pain in the butt.
optics are a controlled item as far as export is concerned

 

[butchlambert]

I have sent a few and claimed what they were. I don't see it as a problem, just hearsay I think.

 

[falconpilot]

Thanks Butch. Hope to see you in Pencil Bluff in a couple of weeks.

 

[Nomad47]

I shipped a Sightron 8-32 to OZ a couple years ago. It took a while to finally reach the buyer, but it finally made it.

 

[jonbearman]

I read a thread on here about a guy on here sending a scope to the uk and the trouble he got in was not good. Talk to the postal service about exporting a riflescope.

 

[gme]

I'd contact them, they have been very helpful, US law regarding export of firearm components is a maze and the punishment for making a mistake can be very severe (everyone's heard about what happened to bass pro shops)
https://www.pmddtc.state.gov/about/contact_information.html

 

[Macropod]

Getting a scope into Australia of the type mentioned is no problem at all. I recently imported a Sightron with no drama except that it exceeded the $1k limit and had to pay import duty on it.

 

[Ghansen]

Import restrictions to Australia apply as under. In regard to exporting a scope, some fragile minded person decided that if it attaches, therefore it is.

Firearms parts, whether or not complete, damaged, temporarily or
permanently inoperable or unfinished, include:
• a gas piston, friction assembly, action bar (including handgun
slides), breech bolt or breech block
• a firearm barrel
• an assembled trigger mechanism
• a frame or receiver
• something other than a complete firearm, that includes one or
more of the above items.

 

[stool]

ok two posters talked about IMPORT to ast or to usa...
the issue is EXPORT out of USA....
there is a list somewhere...go do some reserch

 

[Taildrag15X]

It's covered under ITAR, some places ok others not, check the link.

http://www.riflescopes.webyshops.com/International-Orders

 

[dickn52]

ITAR-DOC5 license not needed to Australia. There may be a duty collection on the receiving end, but will not impact the shipper or his costs. At least when I worked in US Customs in 2005 it was that way. Reading the link to Webyshop and the DOC link, it appears to be the same. Too bad because I was going to go for the scope if the deal fell thru. RFC right?

 

[Lesloan]

I sold a Leupold scope to a guy in Australia about 10-12 years ago, so maybe what I have to say isn't still current, and you shouldn't take any of this as meaning you can still ship a scope to Aussie land--I don't know whether it's still legal or not.

Shipping the scope was no problem. I shipped it USPS, but don't remember what class; parcel post, priority mail, etc. What I do remember was that I couldn't get insurance for whatever class I used. From what the lady at the post office told me, I thought insurance was unavailable for any class, which I later learned was untrue. If you do ship, be sure to get insurance. It might save you a lot of grief.

I shipped the scope, and 2 or 3 weeks later the guy told me it still hadn't arrived. We waited some time more (I forget how long) and he still didn't have it. I think that it was about 6 or 7 weeks later that we were about to give it up. I asked him to give it another week and, if it didn't come in, I'd give him his money back (I considered the problem to be my fault for not doing more research & getting insurance.) A few days later, he told me the scope had arrived. Turns out it'd been held up in Aussie customs for a month or more.

So if you do ship to Australia, be sure to get the shipment insured. And be sure you have proof of what the scope's worth just in case you have to file a claim. I've heard the USPS may deny a claim where you can't prove value. Oh...and be very patient.

 

[wwbrown]

ITAR-DOC5 license not needed to Australia.

Up until about 4 years ago I worked international programs at Lockheed Martin, my main customer was the UK Army, the ITAR folks at the state department required us to have an export license on almost every part of the system. The export license for ITAR items comes from the state department so if you have any questions that is probably the place to start. Do not ask the post office whether it is legal to ship a possible ITAR item without an export license as they are usually only aware of their rules.

Keep in mind that these laws are federal as such they do not have to make any sense, but it is in your best interest not to violate them. I know someone who sold a scope to a person in Australia 3 years ago and the state department got a hold of him while it was still in the country. Neither party ever got the scope and of course the State Department did not refund any money.

 

[dickn52]

ITAR-DOC5 license not needed to Australia.

Up until about 4 years ago I worked international programs at Lockheed Martin, my main customer was the UK Army, the ITAR folks at the state department required us to have an export license on almost every part of the system. The export license for ITAR items comes from the state department so if you have any questions that is probably the place to start. Do not ask the post office whether it is legal to ship a possible ITAR item without an export license as they are usually only aware of their rules.

Keep in mind that these laws are federal as such they do not have to make any sense, but it is in your best interest not to violate them. I know someone who sold a scope to a person in Australia 3 years ago and the state department got a hold of him while it was still in the country. Neither party ever got the scope and of course the State Department did not refund any money.

DOS5 is only required for 'military' hardware, not civilian use. You did this and so did I for over 17 years. If you read ITAR it clearly states for military use a license is required. Therefore for anything other than Military it is not required. Why some weenie went after the other scope is beyond me, but then again I don't know the whole story so can't judge. An example of dual use technology would be the new scope that ranges, sets itself and fires when target is re-acquired. (Tracking Points Digital Tracker) That would be a no-no.

 

[dickn52]

I just put in a call to BIS for clarification.

 

[DMC]

I'm in Australia, and have imported a couple of scopes ( Sightron's ) from the US, no problem at all just if value is over $1000 tax's are due on this end, and customs over here are aware of general prices, so best not to under state cost on documents etc, but you will be ok.

Safe Shooting

DMC

 

[falconpilot]

I called State department and gentleman there informed me that the scope was ok to export, but that I should call Department of Commerce as well. After a 35 min hold, I got pissed and hung up. Typical government offices...

Buyer emailed and said he was going to buy from Optic Planet or someone as he couldn't get funded pay paled to me.., so I sold scope to second in line..in US...

Thanks to all for advice..

Jim