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Burn Rate and powder selection

I am not new to reloading but have learned that I don't know nearly what there is to know about reloading for accuracy.
My question is regarding the burn rate of different powders and their selection for loading of different cartridges.
I am looking at the burn rate chart published in the bulletin and noticed that WW748 is right next to Varget however I see very little regarding 748 being a go to powder in 6mm BR.
IMR and H4895 are often offered as a good choice in the 6BR but are a good bit faster burning.
If someone can school me about powder selection It may help during the Varget drought.

Thanks, G
 
Burn rates mean more for bullet weight then general accuracy . The heavier for cartridge bullet the slower powders tend to be more optimal .

Ball powders tend to be harder to ignite so tend to be less optimal for accuracy. They also seem to be more temp sensitive. This is why you see the stick powders being better choices for accuracy. Not that 748 can’t be accurate, just that stick powders have shown to be more consistent over the years .

Others may disagree but if they are powders you can use . Either of the 4895’s H or IMR will get you accurate loads quickly with less fuss . You never hear 4895 is great but you have to...... like you do with other great powders like Varget .
 
…IMR and H4895 are often offered as a good choice in the 6BR but are a good bit faster burning…
What do you mean by “faster burning”? A higher velocity per grain of each powder or a higher pressure? It matters, since in the 6BR H4895 can have a virtually identical maximum pressure as Varget does for the same charge weight - see Hodgdon data below.

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The burn rate charts are not developed using actual testing in firearms. They represent the approximate relative “quickness” of listed powders. The chart is not linear, two powders next to each other may be very close in quickness, or they may be far apart. Too, the actual burn rate of a particular powder can change depending upon the cartridge it is fired in, or even the pressure of a load in the same cartridge. The charts are just a rough reference and should not be used as a substitute for data developed for a particular powder/cartridge combination.
 
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I am not new to reloading but have learned that I don't know nearly what there is to know about reloading for accuracy.
My question is regarding the burn rate of different powders and their selection for loading of different cartridges.
I am looking at the burn rate chart published in the bulletin and noticed that WW748 is right next to Varget however I see very little regarding 748 being a go to powder in 6mm BR.
IMR and H4895 are often offered as a good choice in the 6BR but are a good bit faster burning.
If someone can school me about powder selection It may help during the Varget drought.

Thanks, G
It's been my understanding and findings to skip over Ball powders
for serious bench work and stay with tubular stick powders that
are single base. Most ball powders are double base, and in m my
opinion do not keep things tight on paper. Just too much velocity
spread variations with ball powders. Again in my opinion.
 
Burn rate is a relative term. You compared 748 to varget. 748 is double base and varget single. 748 is more temp sensitive than varget. powder burn is dependent on the cartridge. Varget will burn different in a 308 than a 243 and 30-06 and on down the line. Never try to extrapolate data for 2 powders next to each other on a burn rate chart. Then there is the variation between lots of the same powder. I seldom look at a burn chart. As an experiment, look at reputable data for a given cartridge and see the difference between 2 different powder that are next to each other on a burn chart, then a step farther by looking at the same thing for 2 different cartridges and the same powders
 
I am not new to reloading but have learned that I don't know nearly what there is to know about reloading for accuracy.
My question is regarding the burn rate of different powders and their selection for loading of different cartridges.
I am looking at the burn rate chart published in the bulletin and noticed that WW748 is right next to Varget however I see very little regarding 748 being a go to powder in 6mm BR.
IMR and H4895 are often offered as a good choice in the 6BR but are a good bit faster burning.
If someone can school me about powder selection It may help during the Varget drought.

Thanks, G
You can have two powders with exactly the same Burn Rate yet they can have very different Burn Temperatures, resulting in very different pressure/ pressure curves. Though Varget and WW748 are somewhat close to each other regarding burn rate on a chart (like 6150 for Varget vs 5650 for WW748, there's actually a substantial difference in Burn Temperature (like 3840 for WW748 vs. 4050 for Varget). As far as various burn temperatures go for powders, Varget is pretty hot and one of the hottest burning powders on the temperature chart while WW748 is in the middle of the chart (the chart showing a range from 3090 to 4100 for various powders). In QuickLoad, if I take my Varget load that gives me 2647 fps at 50455 psi and change just it's burn temperature (Heat of Explosion/Potential) to 3840 from 4050, the calculated velocity drops to 2547 fps at 45982 psi. So this difference in burn temperature is probably why WW748 is not really a good substitute match for Varget.
 
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Burn rate charts are a rough guide, nothing more. Reloaders tend to use powders within a certain burn rate "range" for loads with a given cartridge, bullet weight, and primer, largely because powders within that burn rate range have been proven over the years to work well with the combination they've chosen. For example, in a .308 Win with 185-210 gr bullets, you will find many FTR shooters using H4895, N140, Varget, and N150 powders (fastest to slowest).

It is also worth noting that each one of those powders is single-base, which tend to be more resistant to velocity variance due to temperature changes. The "classic" double-base powders are typically much less temperature-resistant than single-base powders, but will often net 100-200 fps greater velocity in a given load. The exception to that is some of the newer double-base powders with coatings that minimize temperature-sensitivity. IMR's Enduron powders are a good example of these new coatings which improve temperature-sensitivity. In general, F-Class shooters are usually unwilling to trade markedly greater temperature-sensitivity for a little more velocity, because temperature-sensitivity often means greater vertical dispersion at the target. So the intended use is also a critical part of the selection process.

Perhaps now more than at any other time, reloaders are experimenting with different powders due to lack of availability and/or cost of their "go to" powders. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but it means more work at the reloading bench and shooting range to get new loads dialed in. As an example of this, I bought several pounds of Accurate 4064 last year for use in a .308 Win "practice" load, mainly so as not to burn up all my Varget during practice. Based on the testing I have done so far, the AA4064 will work for the intended purpose, but it was really not the best choice. I bought it largely because it generally fell within the lower end of the accepted burn rate range for .308 Win with heavy bullets, and because it was actually available on a few different occasions. It is noticeably slower in terms of burn rate than Varget, which is OK, but it is also less energetic. What that means is that I cannot always reliably hit the same nodes I can hit with Varget. I have also discovered that it is stupidly temperature-sensitive, to the tune of about 2 fps per degree F, which means I have to work up probably three different loads for different temperature ranges so I can practice with it during the entire year. In spite of these drawbacks, it will likely work reasonably well for the intended use as a practice load to conserve my Varget for use in matches. At this point, I would not consider using the AA4064 in matches, but I didn't buy it for that purpose, so all is good.

With a little diligence and research, you can likely find a suitable replacement for Varget that is perhaps a bit easier to find, even if it may not be quite as good for the intended purpose. If you know anyone else loading for the same cartridge, you might even get a few people to go in together and buy a pound each of a few different candidates, which you can then test together to determine which might be the most suitable.
 
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I completly understand the differance between burn rate and pressure.
I knew the single base double base temp sensitivity reasoning.
So, I'm wondering exactly what use the burn rate chart is to see it published in the bulletin and in th eLyman manual for the average reloader?
 
what use the burn rate chart is to see it published in the bulletin and in the Lyman manual for the average reloader?
It's not really but still good info to have when needed but it can be confusing . Like an informed society we should get all the info and use it to make informed decisions . Just because some don't understand it or may blow them selves up do to reading it wrong . Doesn't mean the info should be hidden from the rest that will use it responsibly .
 
OK
I completly understand the differance between burn rate and pressure.
I knew the single base double base temp sensitivity reasoning.
So, I'm wondering exactly what use the burn rate chart is to see it published in the bulletin and in th eLyman manual for the average reloader?
Where I feel the chart is useful is in looking at the powders comparatively with regards to slower vs. faster to get an idea of which powders might be a good fit for a particular barrel length and caliber. That's about it, as far as I'm concerned. :rolleyes:
 
I don't think using the charts to pick powder is a good thing for new ppl.
Go with what the experienced ones talk about. Know who your talking to.....
 
First, I could never explain things in writing as good as Ned. I think you should re-read his post and let it set it. I also understand a lot of your concern was that there isn't much info regarding W748. My question to you is as in which way? Have you searched the archives? There is some information in there regarding W748 in various cartridges including 6br. In the introduction of the burn charts usually there's a statement of their (burn chart) intended use. If you look towards the bottom of the page below the posts you'll also see some cross references on the subject or close to it, these are also in the archives. Click on them and read a little and you may find what you're looking for. I do this all the time. I'm sure you'll be getting more information. I haven't tested W748 in 6br but have shot quite a few from 8208 - varget. I'm only mentioning that because I know your shooting a new 6br. I also have Quickload and that keeps me from some powders that I believe are not worth pursuing.
 
A max load of W-748 could give you a load density of like 90 % while a max load of Varget could be close to 100%... Fill ratio can matter. I use W-748 only on my Dillon 650 because it drops powder very consistently compared to stick powders. Thus I only use those made on the XL650 for semi-auto and plinking.
W-748 can be a very accurate powder, but it's always best to use what the pro's are using for optimal performance.
 

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