Buches Bore Shine??
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jonbearman
I live in new york state,how unfortunate !
lead. I dont think butches can hurt a bore.I saw on another post and they said it was a sign of left over lead.How does the bore look when you dried it out?
Re: Butches Bore Shine??
A test of barrel cleaner chemicals at the link below, suggests to me that Butches has ammonia in it. Patch turned a light blue.
http://www.frfrogspad.com/cleaners.htm
I have no issue with ammonia, and in fact think it is about the best cleaner for copper fouling. The problem however is that once the ammonia evaporates, it leaves whatever is left in the solvent. If it is just water, then the water can cause rust.
A .22LR does not require very aggressive cleaning. I would use Hoppe's #9. I don't believe the standard stuff (not Benchrest) has any ammonia, and it really smells good. There is no need to leave it overnight. For my .22LR, I just put a solvent like Hoppe's on a Boresnake in the brush area, and some oil on the tail, and pull it through once. Cleaning done!
A test of barrel cleaner chemicals at the link below, suggests to me that Butches has ammonia in it. Patch turned a light blue.
http://www.frfrogspad.com/cleaners.htm
I have no issue with ammonia, and in fact think it is about the best cleaner for copper fouling. The problem however is that once the ammonia evaporates, it leaves whatever is left in the solvent. If it is just water, then the water can cause rust.
A .22LR does not require very aggressive cleaning. I would use Hoppe's #9. I don't believe the standard stuff (not Benchrest) has any ammonia, and it really smells good. There is no need to leave it overnight. For my .22LR, I just put a solvent like Hoppe's on a Boresnake in the brush area, and some oil on the tail, and pull it through once. Cleaning done!
Re: Butch's Bore Shine?
My guess is that the yellow is a combination of the coloring found in BBS, mixed with the wax found on most .22s, and lead, all of which accumulates in the barrel.
Arnold Jewel of Jewel Trigger fame told me he once did an experiment where he sealed up Sweet's 7.62 in a chunk of a stainless steel barrel for a year, and when the interior of the piece of barrel was later examined, Sweets had done nothing to it. I would suggest that the ammonia found in Butch's Bore Shine (BBS) doesn't come close to the ammonia strength of Sweet's.
My guess is that the yellow is a combination of the coloring found in BBS, mixed with the wax found on most .22s, and lead, all of which accumulates in the barrel.
Arnold Jewel of Jewel Trigger fame told me he once did an experiment where he sealed up Sweet's 7.62 in a chunk of a stainless steel barrel for a year, and when the interior of the piece of barrel was later examined, Sweets had done nothing to it. I would suggest that the ammonia found in Butch's Bore Shine (BBS) doesn't come close to the ammonia strength of Sweet's.
Hey all, I'm Siiris boy friend. They yellow patches came from my gun.
We are useing Winchester .22 bullets. They are copper washed. Thats all I have shot in my CZ.
The first 3 patches were yellow then went to a gray.
The patches that came from our center fire guns were gray with a touch of blue.
We are useing Winchester .22 bullets. They are copper washed. Thats all I have shot in my CZ.
The first 3 patches were yellow then went to a gray.
The patches that came from our center fire guns were gray with a touch of blue.
bozo699
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Siiri,
I use bbs all the time with no side effect to my barrels. When I put my rifles away for longer periods of time I always leave a little bbs in the barrel, when I get the rifle back out to shoot, sometimes months and months, I run another patch with bbs on it followed by a dry patch and go to shooting
I have several long range BR shooters that tell me they put a drop or two of bbs on a patch and run it through there barrels before shooting groups, they claim it helps with copper fouling :-\ anyway I think Ron is right for your rimfire applications I think regular old Hoppe's #9 would be just fine and cheaper also. Its only 1 deg above F here what is it up north, tomorrow is thanksgiving you and K0na_stinky ought to go out shooting, and remember Siiri 7mm-08s rule and .270s are much slower and they druel LOL You two have a happy thanksgiving.
Wayne.
I use bbs all the time with no side effect to my barrels. When I put my rifles away for longer periods of time I always leave a little bbs in the barrel, when I get the rifle back out to shoot, sometimes months and months, I run another patch with bbs on it followed by a dry patch and go to shooting
I have several long range BR shooters that tell me they put a drop or two of bbs on a patch and run it through there barrels before shooting groups, they claim it helps with copper fouling :-\ anyway I think Ron is right for your rimfire applications I think regular old Hoppe's #9 would be just fine and cheaper also. Its only 1 deg above F here what is it up north, tomorrow is thanksgiving you and K0na_stinky ought to go out shooting, and remember Siiri 7mm-08s rule and .270s are much slower and they druel LOL You two have a happy thanksgiving.Wayne.
KMart
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RonAKA is correct about the ammonia possibly leaving water in the barrel causing rust. Ammonia is soluable in water up to a 21% concentration at atmospheric pressure and, I think hydroscopic, meaning that it will suck moisture from the air. That is particularly bad if you live in high humidity areas along the coasts. Along the coasts the air has salt in the moist air and it speeds up the rusting process.
Its worm and snowing today. About +1*C. We have about 8" of snow on the ground now. Almost time to go sledding.bozo699 said:Siiri,
I use bbs all the time with no side effect to my barrels. When I put my rifles away for longer periods of time I always leave a little bbs in the barrel, when I get the rifle back out to shoot, sometimes months and months, I run another patch with bbs on it followed by a dry patch and go to shooting
Wayne.
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